Many leftists are extremely idealist and get swayed by Western opinion a lot. They dont support Hamas because Hamas are not the perfect MLs freedom fighters. This is childish and just gives ammunition to the liberals to discredit Hamas’ stance. This criticism of Hamas goes against the global decolonization cause. Every time a decolonial group fights against their oppressor, they are criticized even by leftists. Is this what Lenin referred to as left-com?

It sucks that people who one thought were comrades end up doing this. Like are we even on the same team or are you just a closeted liberal? It is crazy, unscientific and unmaterialistic to not consider Palestinian material conditions, and to not consider who they made their champions for this cause, but instead to apply your idealism to the situation.

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Western opinion is lead by US opinion and the US was and is a settler-colonial project. So, their opinions basically align with Israel’s labor party.

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Hamas is not ML and isn’t ISIS, hamas is hamas

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If the Iranian government supports you then that’s a pretty clear sign you’re a piece of shit. How can you say that they’re a champion of the cause when they have held elections for like 15 years? And why would any respectable international organisation support a group that goes door to door executing civilians and children?

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Media pressure is insane around Hamas. When you know that everyone was spoon fed narratives about them being sadistic barbarians who just want to kill all Jews it becomes very difficult to publicly support them. In some countries you could even risk have trouble with the police for “terrorism apologia” (at least that’s a thing in France). So basically you only hear the people who agree with the media while the rest is shutting up because they know how much trouble they are getting into

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How dare you not begin and end your question with “I condemn Hamas but…!”

Honestly though, that’s the kind of framing that leads people to that. Very intentionally by the media there is an immense amount of pressure on anyone speaking against Israel to first preface their statements with “I condemn Hamas but…”. Like somehow there is any equivalency there at all.

You definitely get certain voices that are very outspoken and refuse to fall into that trap, but it seems like a minority. What is more interesting to me is how much that media narrative is at odds with the general popular opinion we see worldwide.

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