At a certain point, eventually, the voters in Florida have to say enough is enough, right?
Can a state be majority racist, homophobic, anti woman and pro ignorance forever? Is that what 51% of Floridians really want?
If it’s anything like Ohio it doesn’t matter what the majority wants. The republicans have drawn the maps so that they can control everything even with like 45% of the vote
Voters in Florida saying “That’s enough racism” is like me at the Olive Garden saying “That’s enough parmesan”. It’s never gonna happen without severe civil unrest.
Fascism is an ideology that rewards people for being the worst version of themselves.
With every evil act they perform they feel better about themselves. These people are just getting started.
It’s the horseshoe theory of politics. Both far ends of the spectrum have more in common with each other (being basically fascists) than they really have differences (different core issues they rally their fascism around).
Both only really look at the other’s extreme, and see fascism, but aren’t self aware enough to see their own. Or they dismiss their own as only the extremists, not realizing how this may apply to the other side.
This reminds me about that time Frank Burns learns about time zones.
DeSantis won by less than 20k votes. There is no way this shitshow doesn’t prompt a big turnout yo oust him. Then we can expect more stolen election claim bullshit.
Um…no. DeSantis won reelection by the largest margin in Florida in 40 years. He’s wildly popular, or at least was as of a couple years ago.
Universities in other states need to loudly proclaim they will not accept Florida high school graduates fed this horseshit. “Does not meet prerequisites for higher education.” You want to be Confederate Jesusland? Fine, but there’s a cost. Employers need to do the same thing.
That’s only going to hurt the kids who want out of that shithole state. They didn’t choose to grow up there. And even if it’s comparable to a hyper religious private school education, colleges aren’t blanket denying students from those, same with homeschool kids. It may be necessary to offer remedial classes, but colleges are already doing that for math.
That sort of happens anyway. Kids taught creationism get laughed out of Biology 101 and have to spend some semesters passing Bio for Boneheads, where they unlearn all the creation myths and get a truth bath of evolution.
US History is important for poly sci majors and law majors, so yeah some might have to make sure they can pass exams or explain how we were late among western nations to end slavery (and use truck systems, exploitation of new immigrants and child labor to keep the ill-gotten flavor in our gains.)
This is actually a terrifying prospect that would only make the situation worse. The kids stuck there and being educated in this propaganda are the ones who will need higher education the most! It is not their fault their parents are living there. And while some parents may have a choice in the matter, many do not as relocating in the U.S. is very expensive and impractical for some families.
I actually feel like the opposite is needed - that public universities go out of their way to accept kids who were educated in Florida in the hopes of actually being able to educate them and break the cycle that is currently feeding this wave of fascism.
We have a while before we have to worry about those kids actually getting to college. What needs to happen now is the colleges proclaiming this. Make a big stink about it. Talk about remedial education requirements for Florida graduates. Across lots of states. Embarrass the hell out of the state. Set requirements that Florida public school graduates have to take an entire years worth of remedial education in college. Suddenly mom and dad looking at that bill will start to flip out.
Look at what happened to North Carolina when they tried to pass their bathroom bill, way before all the current crop of anti-trans laws. Stuff got cancelled. Events pulled out. Businesses proclaimed their objections, made public grumblings about risking expansion in the state. There was actual damage and cost, and North Carolina nixed the whole thing. Look at what’s happening in the culture wars now. Nothing. It’s become noise. Next week Wisconsin will declare an open hunting season on Muslims or something, and everybody will yawn. They’ve successfully numbed us to this shit, and until large entities start pushing back, until there are real tangible costs to the states pulling this shit, it will keep happening.
Yeah, ungood to trap Florida kids in an echo chamber. It’s the reverse. We want them to leave and see a bigger world.
I absolutely see your point and agree with you. The unfortunate part is that by the time these kids graduate from highschool they have been indoctrinated. The ones I would be the most worried about aren’t going to college anyways. There should be sanctions from the rest of the country that discourages people from moving there in the first place. Sanctions that discourage having kids there. If you want a family with children then get the fuck out. Help those people get the fuck out. You’re right that we need to undoctrinate the older ones. That won’t be as affective as just stopping people going there in the first place.
I’m sorry, but this is ridiculous. These high school graduates from Florida didn’t choose to live in Florida. They didn’t choose to be educated this way. So not letting them into universities is discrimination and will only make things worse. If they were let into universities, they could see how Florida taught them wrongly.
Their parents chose to live there, chose to give their kids poor education, and chose to elect people to do exactly what DeSantis is doing. And they’ve been making that choice for decades now. They can damn well live with the consequences.
Not all parents really choose to live in a place like Florida. Sometimes they have to go where the jobs are. Maybe they can’t afford a place like California. And remember there are more people in Florida who voted for Biden than in Massachusetts.
The parents aren’t the kids, and it’s wrong to punish the kids for their parents actions. I am from Florida. I grew up there. I used college to get out. I’m trans and I’d probably be dead if I hadn’t left. Even when I was in school there was “lost cause” Daughters of the Confederacy bullshit snuck in the curriculum. Just because they try to brainwash the kids doesn’t mean they succeed. And I doubt they will, the internet makes that very difficult. And just because it’s in the curriculum doesn’t mean teachers won’t push back - most of them will. The kids who want out of Florida will be a self selected group who probably already got a better history education through Wikipedia than was offered in school and know that what they were taught was either incomplete or bullshit. This is why general education requirements in college exist - they address what the student may have missed in high school for one reason or another.
That’s some nonsense. Not everyone can up and move so easily. Don’t punish people for the acts of jackasses like DeSantis.
Beleaf systems like that are almost desigmed to screw people over.
Edit: Thats too brief of an explanation, im tires and will bed.
Edit: lol, beleaf
I was ignorant enough to support this kind of crap when I was younger. It’s never too late to turn your life around; please stop voting for these people.
Conservatives rant about the left “indoctrinating” kids to be gay or trans, but this shit is literal indoctrination. It’s fucking alarming. Like, normally I’d say stay the fuck outta places like Florida or Texas but at this point we need more liberals sent out to even out these psychos.
It’s hard when it starts at such a young age. I had it at home, church, and school. I didn’t start to change my thinking until my mid thirties, and even then it was painful because your entire reality starts to shatter.
It worries me to see others encouraging people to gtfo of those states because of these crazy laws, but I think that’s exactly what these politicians want. That way they will guarantee certain states to always be red during elections. But at the same time, how could you blame anyone for wanting to leave? It’s fucked up.
Why is this being allowed to happen?
Because Ronald Reagan convinced America that knowing things isn’t important, and that any opinion is valid regardless of how much of a dipshit you are.
Conservatives have always been conservatives. Reagan just made the abject narcissism palatable for the masses. He told us it’s OK if you’re uninformed and selfish, because you’re too important to care about other people or things. Family, and business, and American Exceptionalism, those things are more important than human rights, equitable working compensation, humanitarian aid, or the survival of the species. Things should make sense at the kitchen table, regardless of how complex the problems might be. You can trust Reagan, because he’s an actor, so you know he’s always being his genuine, likeable self.
There’s a secret competition between government officials to see who can set up the most difficult material for a game of “Real news or Onion story?” that’s really getting out of hand. Southern states have comfortably secured their continuing dominance of the leaderboard and are mostly fighting among themselves for the coveted #1 spot.
It seems like they push this kind of stuff to normalize it, so when they do less overt fucked up shit, no one bats an eye.
Among the malicious actors, there’s “regular” people caught up in this, and this sort of behavior is all they know, and anything else is shunned, woke, liberal crap… That’s sad to me, how much of a product of environment we can be, and how that trait of ours is abused by POS people like the ones in power. I guess it’s self fulfilling. Can’t fight something(racism bigotry etc) when it’s all you know.
It’s surreal that this kind of stuff is happening, and becoming more obviously malicious.
Because despite appearances that are put on, the main bulk of republicans and democrats are really not very far apart. A show is created around culture war which is really not particularly cared about by either of them while the core interests that they both share - exploiting the people and maintaining the class war in favour of the bankers, hedgefunds and financial elite - are ultimately kept secure.
Until the well-meaning liberals that continually give the benefit of the doubt to democrats wise up to this and radicalise into something further left the lack of opposition to the right will continue. Meanwhile the few dedicated and ideologically motivated actual-fascists that do get power, such as in Florida, will get to wield that power however the fuck they want as long as it isn’t affecting the economic interests of the previously mentioned groups belonging to the wealthy ruling class.
An enormous amount of power exists to prevent or oppose all the things that have been happening lately. The issue is ultimately an unwillingness to do it.
This is nonsense. There’s a massive difference between Republicans and Democrats.
The main issue is that Republicans are, more often than not, pieces of shit who never argue in good faith, while Democrats try to act with the higher morale ground, when they really should be pushing harder against the Republican bullshit.
Just look at their goals and agendas. What do Republicans even stand for besides bending over for money and being against “woke” culture? Sure, there are Democrats who are money whores too, but compare the two groups overall.
As someone that votes left, your comment still reads like someone that has faith in their representatives.
Are republicans trash? Yes.
But don’t, for a second, believe democrats are “of a higher moral ground”. They are human, and they are therefore just as capable of being shitbags as anyone else.
Not trying to be pessimistic, just realistic: 99% of these people are monsters that don’t give a shit if you live or die.
The main issue is that Republicans are, more often than not, pieces of shit who never argue in good faith, while Democrats try to act with the higher morale ground, when they really should be pushing harder against the Republican bullshit.
This right here is the problem. Democrats let republicans do their thing. In other words, they’re complicit. That’s why people point out they’re really not all that different. Yes, there are differences and 10 times out of 10 I will vote for them over republicans, but I won’t fool myself into thinking it’ll actually make a significant change. At best I can expect a pause in the republican freight train of bullshit.
I’d have chimed in myself, but you said it better than I would have.
Stupid culture war bullshit is, in its entirety, a distraction to keep those getting fucked the hardest from checking to see who’s doing the fucking. The fucking is indeed done by both parties on behalf of the wealthy.
It would be fine if they were actually waging a real conflict, but neither want to do anything more than a performance as security for their economic interests.
This has allowed actual fascists to come in and wage one properly and the result is that they get everything they want. And it’s the marginalised who are paying for it, trans people the most.
I’m not saying that culture war shouldn’t be waged, ultimately what I’m saying is that it’s only being waged by the fascists. Everyone else(with power) is doing absolutely fuck all. This has caused some significant problems within leftist circles as well, as some people have taken to completely opposing any “id politics” entirely because they see it as a distraction. Lenin also opposed this, stating that all issues should be fought, not purely the economic issue:
Is it true that, in general,[3] the economic struggle “is the most widely applicable means” of drawing the masses into the political struggle? It is entirely untrue. Any and every manifestation of police tyranny and autocratic outrage, not only in connection with the economic struggle, is not one whit less “widely applicable” as a means of “drawing in” the masses. The rural superintendents and the flogging of peasants, the corruption of the officials and the police treatment of the “common people” in the cities, the fight against the famine-stricken and the suppression of the popular striving towards enlightenment and knowledge, the extortion of taxes and the persecution of the religious sects, the humiliating treatment of soldiers and the barrack methods in the treatment of the students and liberal intellectuals — do all these and a thousand other similar manifestations of tyranny, though not directly connected with the “economic” struggle, represent, in general, less “widely applicable” means and occasions for political agitation and for drawing the masses into the political struggle? The very opposite is true. Of the sum total of cases in which the workers suffer (either on their own account or on account of those closely connected with them) from tyranny, violence, and the lack of rights, undoubtedly only a small minority represent cases of police tyranny in the trade union struggle as such. Why then should we, beforehand, restrict the scope of political agitation by declaring only one of the means to be “the most widely applicable”, when Social-Democrats must have, in addition, other, generally speaking, no less “widely applicable” means? -Lenin | What is to be Done?
The problem of course is that liberals do jack shit to actually genuinely fight these other issues. The only real opposition to the fascists genuinely waging this war is coming from those waving the red flag or the black flag.
How is critical race theory banned, but this shit is allowed?
This is a rhetorical question. I know the answer…
