Given the current state of partisan polarization, it’s unlikely Biden can get majority job approval next year even with the most fortunate set of circumstances. But the good news for him is that he probably doesn’t have to. Job-approval ratings are crucial indicators in a normal presidential reelection cycle that is basically a referendum on the incumbent’s record. Assuming Trump is the Republican nominee, 2024 will not be a normal reelection cycle for three reasons.
Don’t take it for granted. Hilary lost because of this. Get out and vote.
Hillary lost because she couldn’t read the writing on the wall and told everyone she deserved to win because it was her time. She was the worst person on the planet to go against Trump. The GOP spent 30 years demonizing her and she played right into their hands. Biden should have been the candidate then but that is hindsight.
And even with all of her mistakes and her total lack of charisma, she still only lost because of an archaic system that lets the winner of the popular vote lose.
And even with all of her mistakes and her total lack of charisma, she still only lost because of an archaic system that lets the winner of the popular vote lose.
It’s not like this system was sprung on her at the last second. She didn’t take it into account. She pretty much ignored key swing states that wound up going to Trump.
She was carried in a palanquin across the finish line in the primaries and didn’t understand that she had to run the rest of the way.
Bruh. She ignored a lot of close call battleground states and instead spent the end of the campaign doing “victory laps” in solid blue states like Cali because she was obsessed with beating Obama’s popular vote total…
You could argue her and her campaign should have known better, I just don’t know where you’d find someone who disagreed to have that argument with.
And that’s not even getting into how with population growth, popular vote totals will be record breaking damn near every election.
She was supposed to have the best campaign team in modern history, and either they were too stupid to know what the electoral college is, or they were unable to talk sense into Hillary and get her to actually win the election instead of her fucking self esteem tour to make her feel good about herself after losing to Obama.
I’m just tired of people making excuses for her one second like it’s her first day in politics, then trying to claim she’s the greatest political mind of her generation the next.
It can’t be both.
This is like saying basketball is archaic because it lets the team with the most hoops lose.
Biden had just lost his son and didn’t want the job. He later said he regretted that decision.
It’s not just that, also remember that Biden had made a minor career out of losing the Democratic Presidential Nomination before Obama asked him to be VP. Much of the reason for that is that he had the tendency to say dumb shit. Remember all those “Gaffes”?
I don’t think Biden could have ever become President before Trump, because we used to have higher standards for what was “Presidential”. But once Trump became President, now all the dumb gaffes Biden makes are no longer a liability.
I admit I have been more impressed with Biden then I thought I would. I think a big issue is he is a much better President than he is a candidate for President.
She was the worst person on the planet to go against Trump.
She absolutely was. And with the pied piper strategy, she basically said who she thought the worst candidate was in the opposition’s field, then lost to him.
She still won the popular vote by a couple million, we have an electoral problem.
biden would have easily won, being the outgoing vp of a well-liked (by most) two-term president. him not running in 2016 is, i think, ultimately what enabled the hateful, incoherent, diaper-wearing buffoon to even have a chance–which was only enhanced by the dnc playing favorites and essentially handing the nomination to clinton.
i get the ‘why’ he didn’t run; but man, it sure fucked-up this country (and beyond).
him not running in 2016 is, i think, ultimately what enabled the hateful, incoherent, diaper-wearing buffoon to even have a chance
Nope.
What gave trump a chance was Hillary boosting him because she thought she had a chance against him, but no chance against even Jeb Bush.
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/11/hillary-clinton-2016-donald-trump-214428/
That year was probably when we would’ve gotten “peak” or near-peak Biden, but that was around the time when his other son Beau Biden had died, which I thought was the reason he sat out the Primaries, which might’ve made them a bit more interesting, but would’ve had the same effect of shutting Sanders out. The way I remembered it, Biden essentially saved the 2012 Obama campaign against Romney, as Obama had been having a shitty campaign and debate performance up until Biden went up against Paul Ryan and dominated. After that debate, things seemed to turn around and I thought he was a shoe-in for 2016.
If your state has mail-in voting, just use that. I like to vote while not wearing pants.
Moderates are really really motivated to only be just slightly better than Republicans.
They want to be as corporation/billionaire friendly as possible, so they get as many donations as possible.
It’s why Hillary spent money, time, and effort boosting trump and Ben Carson in 2016. There wasn’t much difference between her and Jeb Bush, so she didn’t think she had a chance at beating him.
The obvious risk was Hillary was/is a horrible candidate and might not have even been able to win against them, which she wasn’t.
It’s like if the pitcher in a MLB game bet for his team to win, but by less than the spread. He still wants to win, but he keeps throwing softballs over the plate if he starts to win too much.
But that’s just a game, this is literally playing with people’s lives.
really motivated to only be just slightly better
I could be wrong, but I think this impression comes because they are skewing more towards the mean or average, whereas on social media we are quite far left. So to us, they appear similar to republicans, because we as online users on Lemmy are quite far left. However, in reality Dems are quite left of Repubs… just not left enough from our point of view because they appeal to the mean American. Am I making sense? I don’t think I did a good job of explaining myself.
From what I’ve heard and seen, a lot of younger voters are disillusioned by the Democrats’ stance on genocide. I’ve heard the comment many are repeating that they are single issue voters when the issue is genocide.
From what I’ve heard and seen, there’s a massive astroturfing effort to discredit Biden over the actions of an allied nation. It’s as if a massive propaganda machine is at work that completely ignores the fact that Republicans would have an even worse stance than Biden on this issue.
Charles Manson would make a better US president than Hitler…
Doesn’t mean people are going to get hype to go vote for Charles Manson.
And telling people those are the only options will depress turnout.
And when turnout is depressed, republicans win.
So how about we try running someone who actually cares about genocide and will at least stop trying to get the perpetrators even more money while telling their own citizens we’re the only first world country that can’t afford universal healthcare?
Like, it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to understand that would get more votes.
But the people running the Dem party aren’t going to just turn down those AIPAC kickbacks if they can get away with “at least we’re not republicans, so shut up and vote for another genocide supporter”.
They’ll always aim for “barely better than a Republican”. So let’s fucking replace them with people willing to do more than the absolute bare minimum
There are absolutely very important reasons to still vote for Biden, but you can’t rely on millions of people to all do the right thing just because it’s logical. The person who’s running for office ultimately has the responsibility to ensure people want to vote for them. It’s just not really useful to blame millions of people when you know that there are statistically for sure going to be disaffected people out of those who need to be motivated. It doesn’t even matter whether most voters who would vote for Biden turn out to vote for him - they almost certainly will - because this fight is at the margins, and to win, you have to capture the irresponsible and unreliable people too.
The “but it could be much worse” argument doesn’t carry much weight for many people on this issue.
While implying that Trump, a literal white nationalist authoritarian fascist, somehow doesn’t support the genocide of brown people
The issue with that is that Republicans hold an even worse position on genocide in multiple ways and would have been gunning for not only Israel killing all Palestinians, but ejecting all Muslims from the US as well. Which they will also totally do if they win the election.
For that matter - vote out of spite for the rest of your life. I’ll see you there.
Idk, if the GOP collapses and all the rural dumbasses (or rather their children) learn critical thinking over the next 30 years to form some new age progressive movement then in that case Dems would become the bad guys. Definitely vote DNC this election tho, theres too damn much at stake to be picky.
Nobody’s saying vote democrat for the rest of your life, they’re saying to vote for the rest of your life. The fact is, Trump won one of the lowest turnout elections of our lifetime, and encouraging low turnout was part of his strategy to win. We know that Trump targeted likely dem voters with messaging campaigns saying things like “she’s got this in the bag, don’t bother” and “they’re all the same anyway”. Voting is how we spite the powerful regardless of what party they affiliate with.
I’m voting and I’m doing it in Florida…I may not win but I’m cancelling one Fascist vote.
Instructions early, the people at the library were very confused when I tried to vote
I don’t have to like Joe or his policies to know that voting for him is the better choice. It sucks to have vote for the lesser evil, but right now the gap between the lesser and greater evils is so large that it makes the decision simple.
Joe will be a lame duck in 28’ ineligible to run in 28’which will hopefully give us a chance to force the issue on not wantting to vote for the lesser evil then. However right now the greater evil is the issue, if we want to have a system to reform in 28’ the choice on who to vote for now isn’t a choice at all.
I feel like I’m taking crazy pills when my best choice is to vote for someone who I know will not adequately address the multitude of extremely time sensitive issues facing our planet and country.
Like yeah, Trump will be worse, and the system is such that you literally have to vote blue if you want to mitigate the damage. But climate change isn’t waiting for us to “fix the system”, Americans dying of inadequate health care don’t have time to wait, the rich aren’t going to stop widening the wealth gap just because. And for all of this, my vote goes to an administration that will only employ soft tactics to stop genocide…
But hey, at least it could be worse right…
Lesser evil might have been a thing 20 years ago, calling Biden lesser evil is just ignorant.
He’s going up against a man that does not believe in democracy or the peaceful transition of power.
It’s like looking at broccoli and dog vomit and saying I’ll eat broccoli it’s the lesser of two evils… 🤷♂️
I was under the impression that “Lame Duck” refers to a sitting president that can no longer run. I was incorrect. I ment to state that with Joe being unable to run, 28’ is the better time push the lesser vs greater evil issue.
Russia stopped pushing Jill Stein quite so hard once they compromised the major parties (democrats by releasing their emails, republicans by using their email trove as kompromat.)
Presuming whatever party emerges from the ashes doesn’t manage to still be worse. Which… gestures vaguely at the kind of humanity that gains and keeps power
Are people this dumb? Would they really consider Trump for another presidency, let alone another insane Republican candidate?
Imagine if the DNC gave democrats a worthy candidate. Then we wouldn’t have to strongarm democrats to vote for democratic candidates.
Who?
The problem is sort of chicken and egg: if there were an obvious democratic alternative the party could agree on, Biden would be out. There is no such person, so we get stuck with what we have right now.
Hard to fault the party for not wanting to bruise their most likely candidate in a tough primary, either.
This sucks, but it’s not the Democrats’ fault: it’s our first past the post voting system.
If the DNC hadn’t shoved Hillary down our throats, Bernie would have certainly won the primary. But on policy the best candidate would have been Andrew Yang.
The DNC would rather lose elections than give us non-establishment politicians.
Sadly, yes. Even a lot of people who talked about how dangerous he was while they worked in his administration aren’t willing to commit to voting for Biden over Trump if it comes down to them in the general election.
