I can only imagine how desperate and helpless an entire generation of children feel in Russia right now, with their fathers sent to die in a worthless war.
they’re being told they are fighting a righteous war defending Ukrainians from Nazis
What I don’t get is how they can look at the rest of the western world backing Ukraine and not wonder “are we the baddies?” Or maybe they do and that creates cognitive dissonance too big to handle. Or they’re told all western countries are Nazis.
School shootings aren’t going to win you American support, Russia. Stay in your lane.
Meh, leave it to Russia to bungle the whole concept of school shootings. If less than two kids get killed, that’s just a normal school day here in America. And really what is so tragic about kids getting shot? Life is best to those who live the least of it.
Fucking wow, a mod deleted a whole comment chain because it wasn’t directly related to the post. That’s pretty fucked. So much for being able to have any sort of discussion here.
Got it mod. No conversation between Lemmy users. Yes sir. Way to be so much fucking better than reddit, huh?
Yeah, there’s a lot of censorship going on here.
The modlog is nice, but it’s still possible for entire chains to be wiped from view if the post at the top gets removed.
I think we should have the option to see what mods censor. That way everyone wins.
Are shootings that occur near a school but don’t involve any students let alone kids really school shootings? Not enough people look at the details of reported “school shootings”. They are massively inflated with events that I would not consider a school shooting.
A quintessentially American viewpoint; that a shooting isn’t that bad because it happened near a school rather than inside.
Embarrassing.
I mean to be fair, it’s a difference between a public shooting and a school shooting. Property law matters. Contact your lawyer today, before it happens to you!
How is that any better? So when a shooting isn’t at a school but near it it doesn’t danger the children at all? Is there a magic barrier? I mean ye, it’s not technically a school shooting but it is still fucking mental. The anxiety those kids would feel when they hear shots, “am I gonna die now?”. No child should be afraid like that, the adults are failing them in the States.
As I stated a lot of the school shootings did not involve any children, but you want to still use the arguement of “think of the children!” Most of the shootings could not be verified to have even happened. Most of the reported shootings occured with handguns and not rifles. Most of the shootings involved drug dealing. You idiots are twisting the facts on these shootings as much as republicans twist facts on abortion and it is disgusting.
We have a right to bear arms because ever government wants to become totalitarian and our ability to arm ourselves is the only defense when protecting our right to vote and have democracy. Why did the USSR and CCP disarm their population? Why have successful laws passed to disarm americans only been targeted at blacks and other minorities? Use your head for two fucking seconds and realize that the threat of violence is the only thing that keeps corrupt politicians honest. I am thinking of the kids and praying they still have a democratic government when I die that respects their rights.
https://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2018/08/27/640323347/the-school-shootings-that-werent
Or you could stop believing every bullshit thing that the anti-gun groups make up…you know it’s bad what NPR can’t find everything they report as true and calls into question what’s real.
Yes, let’s not rush into to taking any sort of precaution to protect our kids. Much better to have this wild West situation we have going on now just in case me, Clyde, and Peepaw need to go toe-to-toe with the US Government in some sort of hypothetical hyperbolic David vs Goliath scenario. Totes makes fucking sense, dunnit.
As a gun owner, I recognize how absolutely lax the gun laws are. Let them make it harder to buy a gun. It won’t hurt you. At least then I know fucking “Off-His-Meds” Jeb down the street from me won’t be able to buy an AR-15 and mow down my family because my weeds keep “blowing on his lawn” or whatever inane shit he constantly yells as me about.
Maybe you could stop being susceptible to all of the gun lobbyists arguments and learn to think for yourself at some point. I don’t know. That’s just my 2¢. Maybe once you have a kid or grandkid going through school your tune will change.
Exactly. Let’s not even raise a finger to do the minimum amount to stop guns getting into the hands of impulsive kids or men to begin with…lets just give a gun to every motherfuckin’ buttwipe out there and let everyone shoot at whoever they want. Eventually one person will be left, with nothing but a ruined earth to comfort themselves. And maybe that’s truly what should happen, poetically justice speaking.
The only times I see pistols is when I see policemen.
The only times I see machine guns is in the hands of policemen at the airport, or when extremist groups are demonstrating and need protection by the police.
Why would I even need a gun, when hardly any criminal owns one?
The concept of gun ownership is flawed in itself.
Yea as a gun owner lol what bullshit are you shoveling?
And that shit doesn’t happen, stop making up bullshit scenarios…not even going to speak on the fact that none of what you said or propose will stop someone from obtaining a firearm. It’s not illegal to sell privately and as you probably know prohibition didn’t work.
Just look at counties without school shootings, the answer is pretty obvious: none of them have… video games, mental illness, or Democrats.
The fact that they don’t have an insane amount of privately owned firearms, or the ability to purchase them legally, easily, and with barely any restrictions, is just a coincidence. Definitely not relevant.
They also have safety nets, way less gang violence, not a war on drugs, of for profit prison systems…and a whole shit load of other things, but naa it’s the guns…
NPR is a pretty neutral news source. Your comment on them seems a bit unhinged.
NPR leans left, while they’re not super left, they’re not fully neutal. The point is, a lot of lies get used as truths to spread political propaganda, and it works.
Americans be like “see, not enough children died, so we should keep our glorious god given guns” as soon as any discrepancies in number of kids killed show up.
Euros be like, I don’t know what the fuck is happening in the states…let me chime in…
So far, anti-gun groups have never made up anything. They don’t have to, the stats are there for anyone who isn’t completely ignorant to see for themselves. Two mass murders in the U.S. in the past two days, and this is what you come up with? It’s no wonder humanity is plummeting into mass murder and insanity keeps rising.
Did you even read the article I posted from NPR? It’s literally calling out how bad the everytown info is. It’s made up, and continually used as factual information.
And Ajit Pai just joined NPR The American Public TV Board of Trustees. I’m not entirely certain if they and NPR are the same organization. so I’m sure the journalistic integrity is going into his giant Reese’s Mug, to be thrown in the toilet.
https://indiawest.com/ajit-pai-elected-to-public-television-board-of-trustees/
Edit: found the article, will leave the original text up as the sentiment remains the same, just struck out.
The worst is the Gun Violence Archive and their “mass shooting index” which gets quoted uncritically in the media, so you get headlines like:
https://abcnews.go.com/US/mass-shootings-days-2023-database-shows/story?id=96609874
"There have been more mass shootings than days in 2023, database shows
The United States has experienced 627 mass shootings so far this year."
The problem is they define “mass shooting” differently from how the public sees a mass shooting.
Their definition is a shooting event where 4 or more people are injured or killed.
So were there 627 events similar to the UNLV situation where a nut with a gun shows up in a public place and starts shooting indescriminately?
No.
Most of the shootings listed on the Gun Violence Archive are situations where there was a party, alcohol or drugs were involved, two parties got into an argument, the argument turned into a fight, and people got shot. That’s not how most people define a “mass shooting”.
I’d argue for a mass shooting definition of “person(s) arrive at a public location with the sole intention of shooting as many people as possible.”
That would rule out the bar fight incidents, or robberies gone bad, or people who go nuts and kill their family in their own house. We should distinguish between psychotic episodes that put the public at risk, vs. normal crime, vs. domestic vioence that does not involve the general public.
So your objection is that they call a mass shooting a mass shooting? What magic number would you like them to use?
That’s not how most people define a “mass shooting”.
That’s is I and many others define it…
Sad to see this so heavily down voted. A ton of emotional reasoning from people in this thread rather than by logic.
A gang shooting, police shooting, robbery, self defense etc are not mass shootings. Period. Its dishonesty to include those statistics.
So Russia can list all of their school shootings for the past couple years with details in a condensed lemmy bot post…… very tragic still but damn it usa needs gun reform legislation nationally.
I don’t think we could list all of our school shootings in the past month this concisely, let alone going as far back as the 2020’s.
I don’t think we could list all of our school shootings in the past month this concisely, let alone going as far back as the 2020’s.
https://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2018/08/27/640323347/the-school-shootings-that-werent
We literally can. Because the vast majority of reported school shootings never happened.
So that’s your only argument against my statement? That the article is less than a decade old? Please tell me you have ANYTHING better than that…
This is the best summary I could come up with:
The 14-year-old girl walked into her school in Bryansk, in western Russia, close to the Ukrainian border, with a shotgun registered in the name of her father, according to local authorities.
“The families of the killed girl and injured children will be provided all the necessary assistance,” Mr Bogomaz said on the messaging app Telegram.
Alexey Kuznetsov, Russia’s deputy health minister, said one victim was undergoing surgery, without specifying details.
In March, the International Criminal Court issued an arrest warrant for Ms Lvova-Belova and Russian President Vladimir Putin over alleged war crimes, accusing them of responsibility for the abduction of children from Ukraine.
In September 2022, a gunman opened fire in a school in central Russia, killing 17 people and wounding 24 others before shooting himself dead.
In May 2021, a man opened fire at students at his former high school in the Russian city of Kazan, killing nine people including seven children.
The original article contains 347 words, the summary contains 153 words. Saved 56%. I’m a bot and I’m open source!
