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At times I wonder if medically assisted suicides are frowned upon due to not being able to further drain the money out of patients and their extended credit lines.

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You don’t have to wonder any longer. You’ve figured it out. Take the morality out of many political decisions and you have the right answer. Abortions? – nobody gives a shit about those children. It’s a convenient cover so they don’t have to say “Mothers are killing the thing that we will enslave and drain later on in the economy!” Everyone says that they care about the child until it’s born – they don’t even care before that point. And the lack of care/suffering/poverty of the child afterwards is the point of exploitation. So the system is working as intended. They need more workers, they need to siphon every ounce of production out of those workers.

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Abortions? – nobody gives a shit about those children. It’s a convenient cover so they don’t have to say “Mothers are killing the thing that we will enslave and drain later on in the economy!"

What sort of purpose does it serve to force a woman to carry a pregnancy to term when the fetus has a Fatal fetal abnormality?

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It’s for the useful idiots who follow these politicians to believe that those politicians’ choices are driven by moral principles rather than cold personal upside maximization and a sociopathic disregard for others: for appearances’ sake, same as going around kissing babies and shaking the hands of people they look down on.

This might sound crazy to any normal person because normal people wouldn’t sacrifice others like that merely for the sake of “the message”, but sociopaths don’t feel any guilt or shame when they hurt or harm others, so they’re capable of sacrificing others to quite an extreme level merelly for some minor benefits to themselves, if the victims are powerless to reciprocate (which in this case they are).

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It gives conservatives something to jack off about.

Violence is the only reasonable response.

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What sort of purpose does it serve to force a woman to carry a pregnancy

One sterile woman is a good exchange for 10 babies born in poverty who will join the Army.

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They’re also frowned upon because it’s pretty cruel to tell someone “well, you could just die” because they can’t afford medical treatments or a place to live.

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How is that any different than it is now? You can choose to die with dignity, or, in the current system, drain your funds, your families funds, put everyone in debt, THEN die.

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Rush Limbaugh taught conservatives to hate universal health insurance because doctors would tell you to just die.

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Not on topic but I recently listened to the Rush Limbaugh episodes of “Behind the Bastards”. I didn’t think I could dislike Rush more than I already did but I found out he was worse than I thought.

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Nobody needs to tell us that. We already know.

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I’d rather rhave the option than not even ha e autonomy over my own life.

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I remember when we bought a house 8 years ago (seems like a lifetime now) talking to the mortgage broker and he basically said they straight-up ignore medical debt because everyone has it and nobody would ever get a loan if it was considered. It’s utterly insane to me how the wealthiest nation in the world can’t keep its citizens healthy and out of debt.

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They can, but the current system is far more profitable.

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the wealthiest nation in the world can’t keep its citizens healthy and out of debt.

But it can. The wealthiest nation in the world per capita is Luxembourg; then Switzerland. I think Norway finishes the top three. Excellent medical systems.

CUBA’s consolidated single-payer healthcare system beats the US’s #30 rank. And does it far, far cheaper. https://wisevoter.com/country-rankings/best-healthcare-in-the-world/

As Jeff Daniels says in the first act of the first episode of Newsroom, " Yosemite?"

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Won’t someone PLEASE think of the shareholders?!

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yes they do it cheaper because people aren’t afraid of going to the doctor and getting a $500 bill because the doctor’s assistant that was there for 10 minutes is out of network

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In Switzerland healthcare, is not bad but expensive. Insurance is mandatory and the same fee for every income. I pay about 12-16% of my gross income for the health of my family. Oh, and this is with the hospitals (and other things) highly subsidized with tax money. Health costs are problematic for the middle class.

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That’s lucky of you. Many do take it into account.

What’s nuts is that the majority of people declaring bankruptcy because of medical debt have insurance.

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The credit agencies do this, too. Medical debt is either not counted against your credit score or is weighted so little it won’t affect much.

It makes perfect sense, because it’s not an accurate depiction of your credit seeking habits. It is debt that you did not choose to take on.

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oh this guy is nearly dead lets take him to money-bags medical

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We can. The people in charge just don’t want to.

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The US healthcare system is a for profit death cult ran by racketeers

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The US healthcare system America is a for profit death cult ran by racketeers

FTFY

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How dare you be critical of it you commie! /s

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Violence is the only reasonable response.

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All rights are won through violence

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“America has Health Control and Guncare”

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It always has. IIRC the biggest reason for bankruptcy in the US has been medical bills, for a while. Our greed driven system is garbage.

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Michael Moore made a whole damn documentary about it in 2007, 16 fucking years ago.

Nothing has changed.

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They eliminated pre-existing conditions and maximum lifetime payments for health insurance, so that’s not nothing.

But they failed to pass a public option which means health insurance companies have a captive audience for their rent-seeking.

And the Democrats still just talk about getting people affordable “coverage” and not affordable “care.”

And hospitals are still understaffed and mental health care has six month waiting lists.

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Where I live, all care has a six month wait list. I started a new job with new insurance back in April, still haven’t been able to get in anywhere to see a new PCP. My dentist canceled an appointment on me last week and rescheduled it for February.

People say socialized medicine leads to long wait times to see doctors. Well, I’m not seeing them now anyway, so at least it’s less or of my pocket.

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Mental health care is also often just excluded from coverage. My current job is the first time in my life I’ve had insurance that would cover therapy rather than be like “Look, we gave you one 60 minute session with our free crisis line, what more do you want? If you really need it, it’s only $450 a session if it’s that important.”

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And the Democrats still just talk about getting people affordable “coverage” and not affordable “care.”

You want to review how the Republicans actually convinced people, especially in the poorest regions who’d benefit the most from a system of improved coverage and reduced cost, that it was a bad thing.

Democrats can’t shoot for affordable care; they’re trying to get coverage in the door, at least.

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And the Democrats still just talk about getting people affordable “coverage” and not affordable “care.”

The charitable interpretation is that they’re talking about getting the government to pay for healthcare and they don’t want to make it sound like medical professionals would all become government employees.

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Michael more was FED UP 16 years ago. It’s always been broken

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Because nobody has responded appropriately: with violence. It is the only reasonable response.

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Not just the biggest, the biggest by far. Two thirds of bankruptcies are due to medical debt.

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And yet nobody does anything about it.

Violence is the only reasonable response.

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It amazes me how people went to work sick as if it was normal. Of courses some bosses were assholes and “wouldn’t let you go home” or “needed you at work”. Sure boss let me sneeze in my hand before I shake everybody else’s hand.

Now these days woah big scary covid. If you’re not feeling good please stay home. We should’ve been staying home like 30 yrs ago,

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Went

They still are.

I have a 103 fever and here I am. At work.

I’m not sure what places you are working that kept the COVID era scare.

Medicine is so polarized I can’t even tell my coworkers I tested positive for COVID. One of them will go on a violent rant for hours. '“Yep, I’m definitely a crisis actor. They don’t pay much these days. This is my second job”

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I mean if you feel sick and wanna stay home, it happens. I just wish managers were less assholes and were more considerate.

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The problem is so many jobs either make you take vacation days or not get paid at all if you have to miss work due to any illness

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Literally all my coworkers still come to work sick despite having sick leave. Gets everyone else sick.

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You say that like we got anything out of covid. Or anyone learned anything about why sick days are needed

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I wonder if it’s a case of empathy being forced on some people, like when a Republican is suddenly LGBT tolerant because one of their own kids came out. But in this case it’s the feeling of worrying about their health or that of a loved one.

Whatever the cause, it’s still a positive change. I’m sure many of us who already saw the sense in staying home will now err on the side of caution a little more often.

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