People aren’t fucking paying attention. I don’t mean the 30% or so who are MAGA die-hards. I mean literally every other person who considers voting for Trump. So many of them don’t even pay attention to the news that they aren’t even aware that this is a horse race where, as bad as one contender can be, the other one is a fucking Nazi.
No, they’re paying attention. They’re voting for the fascists on purpose, because they will only hurt the people who they feel deserve it, and then America will be available to the right kind of people.
A vast number of Americans do not really pay much attention to elections until the last minute, if at all.
Many are religious who just feel that the party represents their values more and will vote blindly without thinking of the consequences.
The thing no one talks about is that these voters who want to hurt others feel that way because of a perceived hardship or wrong done to them. They are also told that immigrants and “others” who aren’t like the voter, that’s the real cause of the hardships and problems.
If those voters would ever learn that the people who hurt them are also the same ones who are telling them who to hurt there would be a fantastic reckoning. Everyone can be happy except for the psychopaths turning folks against each other.
Also, people who lean left need to get off their asses and vote. About half of eligible voters actually vote, and slightly more eligible voters lean more left than right. If half of those left leaning non-voters voted, imagine how many races would be won handily by Democrats.
To me these are the people who need to be paying attention and doing their civic duty.
I don’t mean the 30% or so who are MAGA die-hards. I mean literally every other person who considers voting for Trump.
I don’t think anyone is on the fence at this point. If anyone is even considering voting for Trump they agree with at least some of his agenda, which is entirely batshit insane.
If they find any of his qualities or policies even the slightest bit appealing they are part of the maga crowd. There’s absolutely nothing moderate about him, there’s no room for middle ground.
As much as I hate to say it, I still think there are people so clueless as to be voting for him for what they think are “good” economic policies (for their own 401K or the price of groceries/gas). They are so low-info that they think people are just upset with him for “mean tweets” or the like.
But how do those people ignore that the economy was a mess with Trump, disease rampant, open violence, etc? And the economy has been much improved under Biden and life has relatively calmed down? Is it all FOXnews and its wannabes?
There is a contigent of people who are accelerationists, hate everything Trump stands for, but want to vote for him to burn it all down and start anew.
I am not one of those people… that seems like playing with strange alchemical fire.
every other person who considers voting for Trump
…AND those who will vote for a third party candidate
Good thing you guys learned from 2015 and not giving him 10x more press coverage than other candidates. No way that could go wrong. It’s not like there is no such thing as bad publicity…
An older relative is here for the holidays and was watching some YouTube yesterday. Somehow, there exists a 30 minute which talked all about what a genius Trump was and how he doesn’t like electric vehicles. Just this endless stream of “Donald Trump visionary policies on…” and his brilliant predictions that were all true. No details, references, or a critical thought about how Trump probably doesn’t know that there’s anything inside the parts of the car he can’t see.
Edit - what I am trying to point out is that this goes way beyond traditional news outlets. I don’t think this guy watches a lot of news. I do think he considers himself well informed. We are Canadian, BTW. He’s into cars (and an incredible mechanic as well as being a generally good person I enjoy spending time with) so this is on his feed.
He’s into cars (and an incredible mechanic as well as being a generally good person I enjoy spending time with) so this is on his feed.
Which aspect of cars is he into and which Youtube channels does he watch? I’m curious if there are any particular channels that have led him down the “pewdiepipeline” and what differences there might be between my feed and his that have spared me from any overt exposure to the same garbage.
That part can’t completely change simply because the mechanics of it are too fundamental and too blunt. A Presidential candidate who is the front runner for one of the two parties saying they want to deploy troops is news. It’s newsworthy. They can’t just ignore it and if they did they would be doing the news anymore.
It’s the same as all the way back in 2016 - after Trump won the election, the NYT published a lengthy, complicated story detailing his many conflicts of interest which probably took a team or reporters months to do. And on the same day it was published Trump tweeted that there had been “3 million fraudulent votes” (still waiting on the evidence of that btw).
That move drowned out the conflict of interest story by a lot, and more than that - the president elect saying shit like that is actually genuinely news. The news media can’t just ignore it.
They’ve gotten a bit better over the years at dealing with him . Now they’ll say stuff like “Trump asserted yet again, without evidence, that he won the 2020 election” instead of just regurgitating his nonsense without context. But them ignoring Trump isn’t the answer.
The problem here is that many Americans want this guy as president the first place.
It’s the same as all the way back in 2016 - after Trump won the election, the NYT published a lengthy, complicated story detailing his many conflicts of interest which probably took a team or reporters months to do.
There’s still plenty of room for criticism of the media, though – like the fact that the piece you mention was published after the election instead of before it, for instance.
It’s absolutely maddening. I’m not especially sharp about politics and the media, but in 2015 I was on Twitter and FB saying, “Stop fucking saying his name. This is how he’s going to get elected.” People can’t not talk about him. Even if the story is about what a stupid, evil loser he is, you’re giving him power by talking about him all the time.
He didnt get elected because of coverage. He was elected because the conservatives in America hated Democrats because of misinformation surrounding Obama’s policies which they then transmuted into racism.
The US is sleepwalking into fascism. Well, don’t say we didn’t warn you.
Half of us are being dragged, the other half is pulling us. It’s illegal for the ones being dragged to protect themselves from the ones pulling us as we live in a state.
Then there’s the leftist non-voters who seem to think that if you don’t choose Republican or Democrat we default to peaceful communism.
I’d say it’s more like 40% of us are being dragged by 25% of us while 35% watch on, refusing to participate either way despite the fact that they’ll be dragged in next.
The Gen Z voters fucking terrify me. They are turning against even Bernie Sanders, because of the fact that our government supports Israel. Like, they are willing to blow up everything for Palestine. Don’t get me wrong, I for damn sure support the Palestinian people and detest the genocide being perpetrated by Israel, but am I willing to allow my own country to fall to fascism because of their support for Israel? No! I won’t because allowing this country to fall to fascism is only going to let Israel continue their genocide, but under Trump our troops will join the fray and bomb the shit out of Gaza.
Yeah, as much as I make fun of the alt-right and their dumb culture war bullshit, some of the Gen Z on the left end of the spectrum are so willing to cast out all allies just because they detect one iota of dissent from a rapidly moving set of expectations, esp. when it comes to things like trans.
And it’s fracking dangerous. I look at what happened to the discussion forums on Boing Boing as an example of this. The assumption is that anyone not in the upper echelon of the oppression olympics intersectional game has to shut up and just listen to any opinion of someone in a certain set of groups, just because. Meaning, if you are white or male or both and cishet or xtian, then your opinion is worthless, unless you just repeat verbatim what one of the blessed members says. And even then, you might be accused of appropriating their arguments or being a white savior or whatever.
If they think that is any semblance of normal, or the way to fight fascism, build coalitions, or win elections, they are completely deluding themselves. If it was only places like Boing Boing it might be one thing. Unfortunately, that is just a very public example of it…
Oh, and same sentiments on the Gaza thing. What Israel is doing there is beyond belief in horribleness, but checking out or voting against Biden would make it far worse. What people that say “voting for the lesser of two evils is still evil” fail to see is that the alternative is getting even MORE evil than otherwise…
I’m wide awake, my heart is pounding, and my vocal chords are shredded from the screaming. Not all of us are asleep. 1/3rd of the country actually wants this.
1/3rd of the country actually wants this.
Not-so-fun fact: in 1930s Germany, the highest the Nazi Party ever performed in a national vote was 37%.
It’s not sleepwalking if we all know that it’s happening and are screaming about it, but nobody in power is doing anything to stop it.
Fact is, like any normal distribution, 2/3 if American voters are uneducated centrists that dont understand how their system of government works or what the meaning of scary political words mean. To them, the world is just fine, but that Biden feller made me sleepy so fuck him.
Most Americans have no idea what is waiting for them on January 21st 2025.
sick of this talking point, we’re wide awake and the warning signs are all there.
Yep law and justice is either complicit or nutless and that’s why we’re all sweating this.
What worries me is that we keep getting reassured that someday, at least one of these 91 charges will stick and it will take care of everything. But I see absolutely zero reason to believe that there will be any consequences whatsoever. The delay tactics have thus far been working and his popularity just grows and grows.
We are wide awake and still letting it happen; and we see it happen in other countries the world over. My only conclusion is that this is what people want.
Trump is a danger to the world. Put him in prison.
I guess this means the 2nd amendment crowd finally gets their opportunity to use their stockpiled guns against the government in a case like this? /s
Yes, exactly right. You do not need the /s at all because that is the purpose of 2A.
that doesn’t work though when at least half of the 2nd amendment supporters voted for fascism. What are they going to do, take up arms against the party they voted into power themselves?
This exactly. These fascists will point their guns squarely at liberals and Democrats in the name of their country.
Remember when Trump said he could shoot a person in Times Square and get away with it?
His supporters loved him for that because they want to do this too. They want to get away with murdering people.
Make no mistake: we will have another coup if Trump is “elected”. The question is will there be enough people to stand up and rise against it.
I hate to say it but I’m not optimistic on that.
I am still curious how it works in their mind. They see troops deployed and they what exactly, random acts of terrorism? Like you look at the places that led successful guerilla campaigns against real militaries and they are all in places where real poverty is rampant. Not talking about you live in a trailer and work at Target. More like you grow opium in some valley in Afghanistan or rice in Vietnam. Remember the Bundy Ranch guys ordering takeout?
I can’t see any gun owner I know just deciding to go live in the woods, willing to survive on what food they can salvage while getting their own kids to plant landmines.
Not /s, you’re exactly right, you should move to the left and be prepared as well.
There’s a lot of people sounding the alarm, but it seems liberals still don’t believe what conservatives have been straight up telling them for years.
It’s weird that they won’t come out and say, “My plan is to lie down and take it. But they better ask nicely if they want me on that train!”
Yep! And no, we won’t be fighting tanks and drones. As with all politics, the fight will be local. We’ll be fighting the local Committee for Public Safety, Brown Shirts, etc.
If you think the Brown Shirts won’t magically get armored vehicles and air support then you didn’t pay attention to the part where the Brown Shirts turned into the SS and Gestapo.
