Assholes will get big dogs, abuse ignore and isolate them, then act surprised when they act unpredictably.
Breed specific legislation isn’t the answer. The answer is for mandatory training courses predating dog ownership. All dog ownership too. Little dogs can be assholes too.
Breed specific legislation isn’t the answer.
When 1 breed is per capita significantly higher represented… yes it is.
Little dogs can be assholes too.
Little dogs can’t kill you.
If we breed a dog to be the size of a hippo… Is that still okay to have? Even if it’s only 6x as dangerous as the next breed?
When 1 breed is per capita significantly higher represented… yes it is.
You could use the same logic to desperage American minorities. I think we can all do a little better here, don’t you?
No. I don’t compare humans to animals that were specifically bred for aggression. But you do you.
It’s more represented because morons buy that breed more than others. When they get banned it’s other breeds that start attacking people.
It’s higher represented because morons buy that breed more than others.
You don’t understand what “per capita” means do you?
When they get banned it’s other breeds that start attacking people.
Cool… I’ll take being attacked by a pomeranian any day. I can at least punt those little fuckers over a fence.
it’s higher because people use pitbulls for dog fights, etc… if you abuse an animal it’s more likely to attack someone.
if you look at stats, getting killed by a rotweiler or a german Shepard isn’t that far off.
which would be the next two “tough dude” cool pets…
not to mention, pitbulls aren’t even a breed, really… there’s plenty of pit cousins that would be the new pitbulls… plus half breeds and whatnot…
my solution is to just require all small children carry revolvers… super simple, and those dogs will think twice before attacking them.
They didn’t just use pitbulls, they specifically bred pitbulls to fight and never give up. It’s deep in their brain.
We should just breed our toddlers to be vicious dog-killers machines, problem solved. I want my kid to be able to tear everything to shreds on the playground by the time he hits 6.
Why then pick pits? I get emergency calls about dog attacks all the time. It’s always pits. Assholes want asshole dogs. People use them to fight because they’re monsters and will fight till the death.
Little dogs can’t kill you
Even a little dog can bite you right in the throat, breaking your carotid artery so you to bleed to death. Don’t underestimate the strength of their bite just because they are smaller than a cat.
Even a little dog can bite you right in the throat
If a little dog can jump ~5.5 foot to reach my throat, then it deserves the kill. But this is very much not represented by the statistics at all. Little dogs simply don’t kill people. I looked at the stats a bunch of months ago before the reddit exodus… It’s like one “little dog breed” every 4-5 years (which is representative of a fraction of a fraction of a percent)… where 65+% of all dog related deaths are from a pit bull breed.
The CDC and humane society disagree with you, you know, based on expert opinion. You’re not an expert, so I’ll ignore your comment.
While I’m on the side of pitbulls, don’t go waving around an appeal to authority fallacy like that.
Oh? Feel free to drop a link proving me wrong then since they’ve weighed in on the matter. In the meantime…
Feel free to peruse here… including medical studies like https://www.dogsbite.org/pdf/level-1-trauma-center-studies-dog-bite-injuries-2011-2022.pdf as an example showing that pit bulls historically occur more often and cause SIGNIFICANTLY more damage.
But right… The CDC and humane society disagree with me!
CDC: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/72/wr/mm7236a6.htm Which doesn’t break out by breed. But the numbers line up with other sources that HAVE broken out the breed. Showing that it’s 71% during this time period pitbull.
And I couldn’t give a fuck what the humane society says. They’re not statisticians nor do they have they ever published any statistics on attacks. Feel free to put up though. I’ll wait patiently.
Yeah, for real. Pitbulls are the common target because they’re the “vicious dog”. It’s a self-fullfilling prophecy. Talk about how pitbulls are vicious man-killers, people who want vicious man-killers buy them and train them to be vicious man-killers, pitbulls become vicious man-killers. Meanwhile, the people who want a family dog don’t get pitbulls because, well, they’re “vicious man-killers”. The result is that statistics get skewed in favor of the “vicious man-killer” status, leading to people seeing the breed as nothing more than vicious man-killers.
That combined with the pseudoscience that was spewed by Merritt Clifton, that everyone still quotes today, and you’ve got yourself some statistical issues.
People who get pit bulls as “family dogs” have the same issue.
https://winknews.com/2023/07/06/north-port-6-year-old-dies-dog-bite/
how can you get killed by a chihuahua? it nibbles away your toe and you get an infection?!
They think that they’re making a clever point. Of course larger dogs are inherently more dangerous than tiny dogs. No one is disputing that.
But to advocate for the complete wiping out of an entire breed versus mandatory training classes for owners is an insane answer.
Make “dangerous breeds” more difficult to get, sure. I agree with that. But I can NOT with the “wipe out all pitbull/rotties/dobermans/GSDs/etc”
I agree from both an animal welfare and public safety perspective that we need far stricter laws and regulations on dog ownership in general. But also I also think that some breeds are inherently more dangerous than others. For the American Bully XL in particular, we are talking a new pitbull-adjacent breed which has been bred for both aggression, intimidation and maximum muscle mass, both to skirt past existing legislation that bans American Pit Bulls, but also because all these traits appeal to the kind of irresponsible owners that just want an attack dog that looks 'aard as fuck.
We’re also deluding ourselves when we claim that a dog bred to resemble the canine equivalent of Brock Lesnar is a nanny dog and wouldn’t harm a fly, when in actuality losing control of a 145 lb jacked beast has even led to grown adults being mauled to death.
Behavior is influenced by genetics as well as environment. Certain individual animals are more genetically predisposed towards violence than others. Certain breeds of particular species tend to have more of these individuals than others. So, it is possible to have a breed that is violent in that: if you take a random sample of that breed where the individuals are subjected to an identical rearing process more of those individuals will be more violent than average than the average breed has individuals who are more violent than average. (I realize that sentence is probably difficult to digest, but I’m not going to spend 20 more minutes working on this).
Given the data that we have on pit bulls, I think they’re a violent breed. Not all pit bulls are violent, but a pit bull is more likely to be violent than a golden retriever when the two are raised in the same environment.
But you can train a dog to not act on their instinctual prey drive. Pitbulls are way more likely to be abused than golden retrievers so I don’t see how your point is relevant. Why are pitbulls the problem instead of shitty dog owners?
Edit: you can be damn sure if a golden retriever or any dog grew up the way violent pitbulls grow up, they would be just as violent. Golden retrievers are easier to train though, I’ll give you that.
The only dogs to ever bite me are chihuahuas, and I worked as a vet assistant for years.
I knew someone who had a badly behaved dog, it attacked their partner so they put it down.
A few weeks later “I’m getting another one and I’m going to train it myself” Meaning they just won’t train it, lost their shit when someone called them out as a dog killer. People don’t deserve animals, people suck.
I would trust the pitbull. Besides, they’re not as bad as people make them out to be.
Now you’ve triggered Lemmy’s hate of pitbulls. Be prepared for “they should all be put down” and “they’re bred to be vicious, you can’t undo that” comment barrage.
I wish you luck.
It depends on who Princess’s owner is. Lemmy’s hate for Pitbulls is so fucking idiotic.
It’s a combination of lack of education on the subject while being confident in what they do know. That’s pretty much every wrong opinion though.
Don’t kid yourself a lot of people outside the internet doesn’t have mucho love for the kidprocessor 3000 nany edition.
Honestly if you hate on a breed or really anything because that’s the popular thing to do odds are you’re probably a cunt.
It’s just another form of “acceptable” racism. I was trying to express that to someone last week but they were so hung up on the fact that racism is for humans so it’s not possible to use that word about animals and different dogs were bred for different things so that makes the bigotry “okay”
One of the reasons english and probably most languages are so beautiful is because you can have an imagination about it and say things that have never been said but people will still understand what you meant. Unless they’re a cunt.
Don´t get me wrong, it’s humans in the first place who make dogs dangerous and hating any breed is stupid. People who do that have a one sided view. However, let’s be real, you have a one sided view too, just a positive one. The bad name of certain breeds has reasons, like the fact that they have been bred to fight and to max out biting power and to have an instinct to not let go when biting. I know Pitbulls are not the breed with the highest bite force but they are still in the top 10.
Today’s pit bull is a descendant of the original English bull-baiting dog—a dog that was bred to bite and hold bulls, bears and other large animals around the face and head.
Some pit bulls were selected and bred for their fighting ability.
Source: https://www.aspca.org/about-us/aspca-policy-and-position-statements/position-statement-pit-bulls
No matter how sweet your individual Pitbull might be after a loving upbringing, many years of breeding with such goals definitely still affect the gene pool and like it or not, instinctive behavior, especially in stressful situations. Then there is the problem of bad people who get dogs as weapons and abuse them, turning them aggressive.
You have to be positive while wading through shit if you don’t want to drown. I understand everything you said, but your first sentence is all I’m trying to get across. It’s shitty fucking people, not dogs.
Edit: To your main point you were trying to get across to me; dogs can be trained to not act on their aggressive instincts like prey drive. So I still don’t see how an aggressive dog wouldn’t be it’s owners fault.
Nice that we agree that it´s generally always the owners fault if something goes wrong but it´s also a fact that different dog breeds have different aggression potentials and thereby are more or less difficult to train and control. So choosing a dog breed that is not more aggressive than necessary is also part of the owners responsibility. I for myself would never choose a breed that has been bred to fight, bite and not let go, as a family dog. Instead I would choose a Bernese for example, because they have been bred into the opposite direction, to protect and not to fight, to bark and not to bite, which results in a very calm and gentle general behaviour.
Pitbull owner: He IS a philosopher and a big ol sweetie
Pitbull is chewing on a person’s arm.
French philosopher are the founders of most of modern liberal movement in USA… And woke culture… So…
French philosophy is also responsible for our country’s system of government. Montisquieu argued for separation of powers, natural (inalienable) rights and the right to revolution comes from Locke, the social contract with individual liberties comes from Rousseau. Our constitution is a bunch of French philosophy shoved together into a very (for the time) unique Enlightenment-based government.
