Seriously though, the CIA had to be involved too
Not saying Mossad isn’t guilty as hell but I think this hydra has several heads
They’re definitely involved. Though I can’t really find a reason why the CIA would be interested in American academics and celebrities who don’t have much influence in the cultural or power sphere. That’s likely a Mossad operation, or Epstein was just getting off on his own time.
excuse the tinfoilhat shit, but i’ve heard epstein was heavily involved with trying to do some starseed eugenics program shit. source 2
I could definitely see that being a weird pet project that somehow was justified to get funding for in the CIA. Like “these are the best/most important people and we’re gonna use them for the template for our eugenics program”
It sounds ridiculous but since it was all men, it could have been a weird cum harvesting + blackmail combo harvesting operation. Not that much stranger than the israeli cum harvesting and giving soldiers a bunch of drugs to see if they could mind control, i guess. If it wasn’t the CIA, he just seemed personally interested in having a “smart”/“famous” people cum depository to do eugenics with
Yeah i think the eugenics thing was just a side project and the CIA didn’t care that much. From what I understand, not all of the academics and scientists involved engaged in any of the child trafficking and abuse. But the fact they weren’t creeped out suggests maybe they’re a bit too comfortable with random sources of funding
They have infinite money. Having their fingers on the people likely to move or shake things is a reasonable use of their time for them. They have in the past tapped authors and artists as soft power sources. Even if they don’t use them it would be prudent to set up access in case they ever decide they want to.
You don’t see why the intelligence services would want dirt on every rich and famous person in their borders?
I’ve thought this ever since I learned about Robert Maxwell’s work for Mossad. I think it’s more likely Ghislaine was Epstein’s Mossad-supported handler as opposed to Epstein running the show. I’d guess Wexner also had Mossad links, given his ties to Israel and generous financial support for Epstein.
So more tinfoil for the thread but:
What I want to know is what happened with Paul Schaefer - he flees Germany to “the middle east” and makes contact with the Chilean ambassador at some stage.
There are few countries in the middle east that wouldn’t be shit upon if Paul Schaefer fled there - “Nazi pedophile was harboured by Saddam Hussein!!” “Nazi sex cult leader and torturer was harboured by Gaddafi!!”
I mean the western press is fairly gloves-off even when it comes to a US client state like Saudi Arabia, partly I think to keep them on a short leash.
I want to know where in the middle east someone like him ends up, how long for, how many people in his “congregation” are evacuated with him and how this whole thing is financed, and what the circumstances were for him making contact with the Chilean ambassador to get an invitation to migrate there with his congregation.
But what do you know? I can’t find anything about this at all. Nothing.
Am I saying that Mossad used this cult-like pedophile ring for their own purposes and that they collaborated with this particular Nazi? No.
Am I saying that Mossad has ties to a cult-like pedophile ring, via Maxwell especially but also Epstein, that they may have used for their own purposes? Yes.
Am I saying that Mossad collaborated with other Nazis when it was convenient for them in order to achieve their political goals? Yes.
I remember articles where the author (Ari Ben Menashe) was saying this same thing right after Epstein got arrested/killed
Occam’s razor here
The CIA killed Epstein. Not memeing
Yeah, this is kinda the most reasonable conclusion once you connect the dots (his role acquiring blackmail for intelligence, the sheer amount of different powerful people from different countries implicated, him messing with the money, etc). The real conspiracy theory is the mental gymnastics the official story has to perform.
Right, like I know people shit on leftists for seemingly blaming the CIA for everything bad, but when you view it as a network, it’s hard to not see some obvious connection
The thing that really characterizes liberals to me is their abject failure to consider how multiple different issues are connected in structures that serve functions. In their minds, that whole Epstein case is compartmentalized into its own little bubble, and it doesn’t interoperate with other phenomena like current wars, history, electoral politics, corporations, etc etc. But of course, when you start to consider that these things interact with each other (not in one big conspiracy, but as a system that is beyond any individual’s control), you look crazy.
The only thing that makes me think they didn’t is how most people believe this is the case, and how quickly the “Epstein didn’t kill himself” meme spread.
I recognise that it is basically just contrarianism, but it really feels like the CIA wants people to think they killed Epstein. Doesn’t mean they didn’t of course, but a lot of the discourse around this treats the matter as “settled” when they uncover a conspiracy like this, when it should be just the beginning of looking deeper into it.
but it really feels like the CIA wants people to think they killed Epstein.
but a lot of the discourse around this treats the matter as “settled” when they uncover a conspiracy like this, when it should be just the beginning of looking deeper into it.
Situations like these are called limited hangouts.
When [the intelligence agency’s] veil of secrecy is shredded and they can no longer rely on a phony cover story to misinform the public, they resort to admitting—sometimes even volunteering—some of the truth while still managing to withhold the key and damaging facts in the case. The public, however, is usually so intrigued by the new information that it never thinks to pursue the matter further.
And it worked. “Epstein didn’t kill himself” is now just a personality trait and merchandise slogan on the right. For the few who do connect the dots, they get no assistance from those in the mainstream “investigative journalism” industry who have more resources.
As a result you mostly get circumstantial evidence and blamed as crazy. And unfortunately, a lot of the so called investigators ARE crazy because democrats have completely dismissed the possibility that the Epstein case goes deeper, leaving the republicans to monopolize the conversation. So now you have one side that’s just virtue signaling and muddying the waters with their “independent research” and one side that’s too scared to do anything lest they get associated with the crazies. No one achieves anything of substance, and Epstein and his friends win.
Ah, thanks for that insight. As a non-American I wasn’t even aware this had become politicized along party lines like that.
Secret CIA Files Say Staffers Committed Sex Crimes Involving Children
Declassified CIA inspector general reports show a pattern of abuse and a repeated decision by federal prosecutors not to hold agency personnel accountable.
I am nauseated by the way that this story – which I don’t doubt is true because Mossad and Israel are wretched – will feed into scapegoating Jews for US problems even more than people already do.
They do
Zionists WANT Zionism to replace Judaism. They want every Jew to be a Zionist and to move to Israel to do their settler colonialism. Move to Israel, have tons of babies, genocide Palestinians and take their land/homes.
This applies to Christian and other non-Jewish Zionists as well as the Jewish ones.
This is one of those conclusions that feels counterintuitive or whatever because it centers on “but… that means Jewish Zionists actively seek to make Jews worldwide less safe to force them to flee to Israel.” All evidence points to this being exactly what Zionists (all of them) are always saying and doing. The irony though is their racist hatred for Palestinians and broadly Arab Muslims blinds them to the reality that the Zionist project not only endangers Jews worldwide due to propping up these conspiracies but also in Israel itself. I mean, 10/7 should’ve made that abundantly clear.
As the US continues to decline in power, Israel will very likely experience more and more 10/7-style attacks. Honestly, I do wonder if it could even survive just one more attack like that. Just like the US, Israel has failed to calculate its position as the world changes around it. Instead of peaceful coexistence they’ve insisted on genocidal force.
Zionists are opportunists first, always.
They subjected Ethiopian Jews to mass birth control without consent and they sought to restrict the citizenship rights extended to other Jews (and did so successfully for decades).
Zionists will subject anti-zionist Jews to all sorts of open hatred.
Zionists literally collaborated with Nazis.
Zionists WANT Zionism to replace Judaism. They want every Jew to be a Zionist and to move to Israel to do their settler colonialism
It’s kind of odd that one of the main thrusts of the Israeli Fascist argument is that Jewish people are always in danger of being genocided and therefore they should all move to one tiny country in the middle east where everyone in the surrounding area supposedly hates them. Haven’t they ever heard the idiom “don’t put all your eggs in one basket”?
Shut the fuck up, obviously there are Jewish bankers, and Israel and Mossad are real problems, but this isn’t medieval Europe, where Jewish bankers were somewhat their own class (due to Christian laws). Separating them from white and other bankers is flat antisemitism and mainly serves to harm Jewish proles, who are our comrades just as much as any other members of the proletariat.
