yeah i don’t get the hate for the epic store, who tf is annoyed by free games. And the Store isn’t that bad sure it doesn’t have as many functions as steam, but thats not necessarily bad steam has a lot of useless stuff. As a store the experience with epic is much more streamlined
Tencent, a Chinese company is a major owner of Epic. Westerners simply hate Chinese owned tech due to political reasons. Huawei and especially TikTok are other examples.
Y’know, back in the day, we’d have friends that were Muslim or gay, that would have bullies around at school trying to beat them up. We’d call the bullies assholes, break their legs, and tell them to change their stance or have their arms broken next.
Now, because those bullies happen to wear a suit and make speeches on government TV, and also want to ship our gay and Muslim friends off to prisons, hating them is considered “political”. Or, they highlight their own race and say we’re being “xenophobic”. Or, they simply lie and say that there is no genocide going on.
Man, can’t we just go back to breaking legs when assholes become religiously intolerant?
I hate Tiktok because it’s spyware. Show me the source code to prove me wrong.
I hate Epic because they abandoned the Unreal and Unreal Tournament series, delisted from any store(including single player games) and turned off the Master Server preventing official multiplayer.
I hate AAA game developers because of what the MBAs did to milk every cent of out of their customers.
Mass surveillance and flagrant human rights violations are now “”““political reasons.””“” In other news, nothing happened at Tiananmen Square on June 4, 1989.
Lots of things happened in the square at that time, as the Chinese government discussed on TV the following days. One thing that did not happen was people dying, though some were struck with batons to force them to disperse after they declined to follow the demand to disperse (most left peacefully).
Yes, purely political reasons, there is no other reason to be wary of proprietary chinese software.
Of course there are other concerns but politics is the main one. There’s little reason to think for example Samsung, Instagram or even Steam are any more safer than the previously mentioned Chinese owned alternatives. They all collect, store and sell every bit of data they possibly can benefit from.
Epic Games hasn’t done it much lately, but when they first launched they paid a few big games to be Epic Games Store exclusives which is obviously anti-consumer behaviour. That and they’re owned by China, so the chances of your data being funneled out to China is practically 100%. Also, Epic has historically been critical of gaming on Linux with the CEO going so far as to say that Linux users are a bunch of whiners and that Epic will never support Linux just to spite them. A very immature response to say the least.
The Data collection would be a solid point, but the people who loudly voice that concern are normally the people who have 500+ hours in LoL, Valo, Clash of Clans, Clash Royal etc., all of them from companies that are mostly/ completely (Riot Games 100%,Supercell 85%) owned by tencent, while they own less than 50% of Epic, yet for some reason the possibility of data collected by China is only a big problem for people, when it comes to Epic Games.
Also as a european, i don’t really care if the Data gets funneled to the USA or China, both equally bad imo.
Also as a european, i don’t really care if the Data gets funneled to the USA or China, both equally bad imo.
This is super off-topic but since you have a more reasonable stance on this than I usually see in the wild, I need to ask: Do you truly think the US is no worse than China or are you speaking in terms of impact on your life personally? (the latter would be fair in this context too, just wondering)
Tencent owns a 40% share of epic. While that is really considerable, it does not mean they are “owned by China”. Tim Sweeney is the majority shareholder.
Ah yes the completly new anti-consumer method of exclusives that Epic invented and only Epic does, it totally hasn’t been around since the start of gaming or something.
Epic Games hasn’t done it much lately, but when they first launched they paid a few big games to be Epic Games Store exclusives which is obviously anti-consumer behaviour.
Exclusivity deals on their own were pretty bad, but what really pissed people off was that some of the games that were made exclusive were crowdfunded.
That and they’re owned by China, so the chances of your data being funneled out to China is practically 100%
a) Tencent has a minority share b) what the fuck is China going to do with my data? Target ads a little more precisely the one time a year I go on newegg or whatever? Shouldn’t you be much more concerned about an entity like Amazon, Google, or Microsoft having that information? And it’s not like at least two of those don’t have a history of working with the US government and others, i.e. governments that actually impact your life.
Oh my fucking god Lemmy, enough with the Linux. Every thread with the Linux.
yeah Linux makes sense in an Tech/IT working environment, but thats it. And people here act like it’s a wonder thing that can do anything, when its in reality lacking a lot.
Are industry standard programms like Microsoft Office or Adobe Suite etc. supported No? then it’s completely useless for 90% of the working environments. Do games support it? Only some? most of them in a inferior version than the windows counterparts, well then its useless for gaming too.
UX is way better on Windows too because it’s less complicated
No offense but if you’re seriously using Linux for gaming than then idk what to tell you most games don’t even support Linux and those who do normally stop after a while f.e. Rocket League even years before Epic got involved
Steam Deck runs on Linux, maybe think for a moment before pulling bs arguments from your behind.
Oh no! It doesn’t work on a platform that’s used by… let me check… 1.44% of Steam’s userbase!
Get over it, Linux users don’t represent a big enough base to bother, that’s it, that’s all.
Okay but like, you asked why people don’t like Epic Store, then told them to get over it… now you see why people don’t like Epic Store bootlickers either
For me, the main concern is that Epic doesn’t have a system of purchasable keys, even after all these years. Most stores in PC have had a system with keys that has allowed users to purchase games from 3d party sites such as GreenManGaming and the like. That system has been one of the key reasons why prices have stayed in check in the platform, and why cool stuff like HumbleBundles exists.
Without this kind of system, every time a game is exclusive to the Epic platform, it, in effect, has a single price point with no possible competition or alternative, which is no different than a console ecosystem… And a lot of the pricing on those is not great, to say the least.
Until they have that, supporting the growth and consolidation of that store would be potentially shooting myself in the foot as a consumer.
EDIT - Turns out, I had my info somewhat outdated, this was introduced at some point recently, at least with some retailers.
However, on second check it doesn’t apply to games with Epic Store exclusivity, apparently (or at least the ones I’ve checked). It seems to only apply to games that are not exclusive. So concern still valid, unfortunately.
If someone has more info about it I’d love to hear it because it looks unclear at the moment.
And being against them is centralising the market in Valve’s hands, which is exactly what people feared would happen when they released Steam and started having games release exclusively on their platform.
They give a better share of sales to the devs and also guarantee revenues, which means some games would never have seen the light of day/some devs would have gone bankrupt without Epic supporting them.
So by not supporting them you’re also sitting yourself in the foot.
Oh and by the way, Epic’s free games are DRM free in the vast majority of cases… Guess that’s a bad thing too for some reason?
First impressions matter and Epic fucked up big time when they launched the store. There were a lot of missing features that were available on other storefronts and it was a pain to use. Another thing that really pissed people off was when they made exclusivity deals for games that were crowdfunded. A lot of people did not like that they lost the ability to play on a platform that they preferred when they directly contributed to a game being made. It was also scummy to make deals for games that were already announced on Steam (i.e. Metro: Exodus, Darq) While the store is better now and they’re funding games instead of making exclusivity deals, there is a reason why a lot of people do not trust Epic or continue to dislike them despite the free games.
I’m still gonna take it though. Free is free.
And for that price I’ll jump through some minor hoops to get them onto my Steam Deck.
When I had an old slow computer I hated using extra launchers for everything, heck I even kept steam closed when I didn’t need it to save resources. But now I have something half decent I don’t mind having a couple running in the background
Remember folks, if the product or service is free to use, it’s likely the actual product is you and your data.
Honestly though, peoples priorities are wierd. Refuse to use Epic while handing over waaayy more sensitive data to Google.
If you’re concerned about data collection, start with changing your search engine. Then maybe your browser. Then your email provider…
(Written from GrapheneOS)
In this case I think it’s mostly to get people to use the App regularely and so expose more people to the store.
That’s not mutually exclusive to datamining though*. Yes they have a product in their stores, but the customers are unwitting products (to another customer-group) themselves (tbf this happens a lot, which does NOT make it ok however)
*not saying this happens, I don’t know if the EPIC store datamines, I have never used it as I am on linux so I may as well not exist to EPIC
More like Costco selling hotdogs at a loss to get people to leave the store with a television.
Just get the hotdogs and leave.
Then you’re still driving to Costco just to get hotdogs, which means you’re putting more resources into using their deal than would be needed to just buy and make your own hotdogs.
Are we still in the analogy or are we strictly talking about Costco now? 🤔
But the hotdogs are right next to their hvac guy, and tubes of meat and regrettable decisions tend to go hand in hand for me.
