Stand for America Fund Inc, a super PAC that supports Nikki Haley, reported on Thursday that it has raised $50.1 million in the second half of 2023 — millions more than Trump-aligned super PAC MAGA Inc., which reported over $46 million.
There are no details from these numbers yet, which were reported by the New York Times, as the Federal Election Commission filing deadline is only Jan. 31.
When it comes to MAGA Inc.'s funds, the super PAC ended the year with over $23 million in cash on hand, according to reports — and counted with over a dozen donors who contributed with $1 million or more.
Best case scenario is she wins the nomination.
Everyone keeps saying that “Biden’s best chance is against Trump”.
And while that may be technically true, something people fail to take into account is that under absolutely no circumstances is Trump going quietly.
There’s a 0% chance he doesn’t run as an independent or write in candidate and split the Republican vote. It’s just not going to happen.
And yes, the Republican party could just hand him the nomination and put him up if Nikki wins legitimately, but then they’ve just disenfranchised everyone that voted for her, everyone that wanted to vote Republican but didn’t want to vote for Trump.
And some of those people will vote for Biden, and some may not vote at all.
But as much of a piece of shit as she is, the mess she’s making in the Republican party is doing us all a huge favor.
Trump could die tomorrow and he would still get a non-trivial number of votes. Diehard MAGA would be talking about how he’s not really dead, that he never stopped being president, and that Trump’s hair looks amazing.
I’ll be willing to bet actual Dollarbucks that he gets write in votes ~10 years or 3 elections after he dies.
What are they gonna do, believe “Big Coroner.” The same folks that lied to us about COVID deaths! /S if that wasn’t obvious.
Even though I disagree with Haley’s platform, I believe she’d leave office at the end of her term. I believe she’d accept the result of an election she’s lost. I believe that she’d behave with a level of decorum appropriate for the office.
So she’s immediately better than Trump simply by not being a fascist monster. Even if the dems lost to her, I wouldn’t have to worry about democracy suddenly ending or concentration camps for immigrants or nuking random countries and leaving NATO or her encouraging everyone to inject bleach and take horse de-worming pills, at least for 4 years.
I agree.
Even barring 3rd party shenanigans leaving dems in control of the WH. Haley will leave when her term is done, trump will not. I’d much rather take my chances on a less than favorable Haley-Biden matchup than make a wild, all-in bet for the future of the republic.
There is nothing about Haley that appeals to me but I hope she manages to pull this off somehow. I will sleep better, that’s for damn sure.
There is nothing about Haley that appeals to me but I hope she manages to pull this off somehow. I will sleep better, that’s for damn sure.
Agreed. I even thought about requesting a Republican ballot this year for the Ohio primary and voting for her.
I’m voting for Biden in the general either way, but I’d still rather have him up against her.
I’m sorry, but I think this whole thread is crazy, Haley could absolutely beat Biden if she somehow managed to get the Republican nomination. Independents will vote against Trump in November because his handling of COVID and January 6 freaked them out, but they don’t like Biden at all either and would love to have someone else to vote for. Plus, Haley being a woman will probably go a long ways towards disarming the abortion issue for people who only think about politics for five minutes a year.
If trump runs as an independent and splits the vote up, and no one ends up getting 270 electoral votes, then the house of representatives gets to choose who to make president by simple majority of 26 out of 50(one vote per state). This currently means that Republicans get to pick, since they control more states.
So basically, if Biden can’t hit 270 for any reason at all, Biden loses, and even if Nikki got 80 percent of all the other non Biden votes, the Republicans controlled house could choose to put trump back in, leaving us with a president that we’ll over most of America didn’t vote for.
Nikki and Trump together only need half the electoral votes, with Biden getting the entire other half, and that will leave a Trump or Nikki win.
leaving us with a president that we’ll over most of America didn’t vote for.
Keep in mind that in the last 30-something years, Republicans have only won the popular vote once for the Presidency, and that was back in 2004.
Yeah in a vacuum are people maybe tired of Biden and dumb enough to gamble everything on a “change”? Sure. But Trump definitely has the crazies, the core, and other people who stayed at home in 2012 firmly in his grasp. He’s not going to just tell Uncle Crazy to get in line and vote for Haley.
Conventional wisdom is that young Haley could beat and old and not popular incumbent, but it’s banking on a bunch of Bush era realities, including Trump following norms.
Well Trump has been skinning his base (voters) for money for close to a decade now without really giving them anymore in the wallet while president.
If they haven’t figured by now that they’re being scammed, they never will. The cult leader can do no wrong.
Omg imagine if she ends up being the first female president?!? This is just silly, but i do love watching conservative infighting 🍿🥂
It reminds me of the interview that Jordon Klepper did with MAGA voters in 2016.
MAGA woman: A woman can’t be president! If she has a hot flash or gets emotional, she could start a war!
Jordon: Haven’t all wars been started by men?
MAGA woman: pause
I cannot wrap my brain around the mental path that leads any woman to support Donald Trump.
Like…why? What on earth does this candidate offer you?
I know a woman that is a trump supporter. She is also a christian evangelical and has been most of her life.
I think the reason she is a trump supporter is that her christian education has taught her that there is a hierarchy to reality.
That men are the protectors - God (a man in her world view) is the head of that
Women are the providers and submissive to men.
I think the bravado of trump appeals to her sense of reality, A strong “protector” man in charge. All of his limitations are not for her to question because she is the provider not the questioner.
As a woman in my 40s I can’t even tell you the number of wars I’ve started during a hot flash and I’m not even the commander in chief of the largest military in the world. If I were though I would have definitely launched nukes on at least 5 occasions just because I was hot for a few minutes.
/s because jfc
Found the clip for the lazy: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4Zdx97A63s#t=1m51s
For anyone who may want to upvote this dummy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boudica
she’d quite frankly be worse than trump. nevermind the fact that she wants a national abortion ban and a national trans care ban
I just can’t see it happening from the party of religious patriarchy. These are the sort of folks who excommunicated women for wanting to become priests over a year ago, and that’s just the moderate Catholics; Evangelicals would probably burn down the church.
There’s no way Trump isn’t going to run in November. If he get’s frozen out by the GOP he’ll declare himself a write in candidate, and if he’s barred by SCOTUS he’ll run Ivanka.
He might be dumb enough to think the GOP can run Donald Trump Jr. In his place and not have to change the ballots.
Be fascinating to see if he would even be successful as a writing candidate, because you have to think his supporters aren’t the best spellers.
That’s one way to save the timeline, I guess. I’d be pretty funny if Donald lost to 2 different misspellings of his own name.
The Republican party is desperately trying to stay alive by moving away from the crazy but it is still too strong.
Can’t win a primary without him, can’t win a general with him.
He wins the primary and has a stroke before the general. Everyone gets what they want.
can’t win a general with him.
You’d think so but he is leading in the polls and the bettting markets.
I think turnout amongst young voters will be lower than last time for Biden since they have been brainwashed by TikTok on the Gaza issue. Even though the lesser of two evils is clearly Biden especially on Israel and Gaza.
So unless a couple of key states kick him off the ballot Trump will win the electoral college vote. While losing the popular vote by the widest margin to date.
First off, ignore the betting markets. They had Trump winning in 2020, too. The kind of people who put money on this stuff aren’t the clear-headed, rational sort.
Second, the polls are broken right now. They’ve been consistently under-counting Democratic votes for years, due to the difficulty of conducting scientifically sound polls in the age of cellphones and the death of land-lines. Seriously, look at polling for the special elections and midterms since 2018 - it’s practically homogenous. In election after election, Democrats overperformed the polls.
I’m not saying we don’t have to fight like hell - we absolutely do. But we don’t have to lose hope, especially with almost a year to go before the first general election ballots are cast.
Vote like it’s a possibility Trump will win, and vote like it’s a certainty that you can stop him.
Second, the polls are broken
Broken is a stretch but we do know which way they leaned and that’s not a good sign considering Biden’s numbers were overstated.
Most preelection polls in 2020 overstated Joe Biden’s lead over Donald Trump in the national vote for president
It’s not hopeless but the margins are thin, Trump won by 77,000 votes in 2016 and lost by 81,000 in 2020. Biden doesn’t have a lot of slack to play with and he’s going to be hit hard from all sides including his own thanks to 10/7.
Between inflation, “the border”, Ukraine funding, Israel and every country with a vested interest against America influencing people online more than ever before it’s gearing up to be a disaster.
The crazy is why it’s still alive. Nobody was excited about seeing the same old shit in 2016, which it seemed like it’d be with Clinton vs Bush. Trump was pushed to the top of the republican party by voters enthused by this new energy, even if his policies have basically been republican standard with possibly a few kinks.
Now with Haley, people are talking about a return to normalcy but I caution against this because that’ll mean more acceptance of a republican candidate who will follow the same policies as Trump for the most part except “with more decorum” i.e. the usual republican bullshit. Democrats have put too much emphasis on “not Trump” and “return to normalcy” and “decorum” that Haley then gets seen as acceptable and the so-called moderates that democrats want to woo so badly would be fine with voting for her, same with never-Trump voters.
Trump getting out of the presidential race in some way and being replaced by Haley could actually be one way democrats lose this election. On top of that, republicans will claim first woman president after democrats emphasized over and over again how important diversity is (but still going with Biden lol).
