American political ideology as a whole has shifted left in recent years, but women are becoming even more liberal, according to Gallup.
The survey data, released Wednesday, shows that while the country remains largely center-right, the percentage of those identifying as or leaning liberal has increased over the past three decades, and is now just 1 percent under it’s all-time high.
Roughly 36 percent of adults identify as conservative, 25 percent as liberal and the rest identify as either moderate or unsure, according to the poll.
When broken down by gender ideology, women in the youngest and oldest age groups said they were more likely to identify as liberal.
Women ages 18-29 were 40 percent more likely to be liberal in 2023, a slight decrease from 41 percent in 2022 and 44 percent in 2020, but still higher than the 30 percent in 2013. Those ages 65 and older were 25 percent more likely to identify as liberal — a slight increase from the 21 percent reported in 2013.
Weird, it’s almost like electing the pussy grabber in chief turned women off from the Republican party. Strange how that happened. There’s also the whole Roe vs. Wade thing literally killing women.
Roe versus Wade is not literally killing women. Hyperbole of the century.
Yeah, and what do you call a high risk pregnancy that would normally have ended in abortion? Now women are forced to carry the pregnancy (viable or otherwise) to term putting their health and lives at risk.
Educate yourself on what’s going on before spouting nonsense.
One in 3,000 women die from pregnancy or birth complications in the US each year.
Making women remain pregnant inevitably causes deaths.
There should be exceptions for genuine medical life-threatening reasons for abortion. But that represents less than 1% of all abortions.
A friend of mine was hospitalized due to a pregnancy complication. Fortunately we live in a state where abortion is still legal so they were able to perform an emergency abortion and save her life. She was still hospitalized for a week. If we lived in one of several states where it’s not legal she would have died, no question. The doctor literally told her so. So no, it’s not hyperbole, it has happened, is happening, and will continue to happen as long as abortions are illegal.
There should always be exceptions for legitimate health issues or when rape or incest result in pregnancy. But that represents 15% or so of all abortions. Most people who are pro-life agree that there should be exceptions for these things. There’s only a very small amount of people that are hardcore fanatics who reject abortion for any reason whatsoever, they’re just very very loud.
Who woulda thought that taking away women’s rights for their own bodies would have blowback?
Your rights end where another person’s rights begin. An unborn child is a person. And when you have to weigh a trolley problem when the mother’s health is in life-threatening risk it’s a serious thing that you have to consider. Abortion should be legal for situations where the mother’s health is in literal life-threatening risk but even then it’s a very serious choice.
Even if we grant you your invalid position, you are still wrong. So close. You claim the unborn person has rights, but so did the mother.
In no legal jurisdiction in the United States is one person ever required to give up their bodily autonomy for another. This the mother, according to your argument, is under no legal obligation to provide the other person, according to your argument, the mothers body for any reason. If the mother wishes to discontinue the use of her body she can. If the other person dies as a result of this decision, the mother bears no responsibility.
This is well understood case law and common law.
GTFO with this terrible argument.
It doesn’t matter what the law is. Laws can and should be changed when they’re unjust.
You’re fundamentally radical and not living on planet Earth that you think this way about pregnancy. It’s the product of a degenerate and corrupt life you’ve lived that has allowed you to justify unjustifiable immorality.
In other words you’ve burned your conscience to a crisp through your vices.
It’s an abominable position you put forward. You are wholly given over to vice and darkness and sin.
A fetus is not a person its a collection of cells. It’s not up to you to weigh any problem. It’s up to the woman and their doctor.
A human is not a person it’s a collection of cells.
See how ridiculously reductionist that sounds? And it’s absolutely up to me because I vote and I live in a society that is a democracy. I will vote on issues that matter to me. And you can do the same. So if you want to support policies that murder inconvenient children, most of which are black by the way which is very racist of you, then that’s your choice but I’m not going to support that with my vote or publically in the town square.
An unborn child is a person.
You realize this is where Democrats fundamentally disagree with you, right?
Not all Democrats, only a minority. And I’m not really a Democrat anyway I’m a Christian socialist.
The American political system has done nothing but ratchet to the right for about a hundred years.
It’s so far right that people think liberals are left wing. That shit is center right lmao
That was my thought when they said X identified as conservative, Y liberal, the rest moderate or unsure.
How about none of the above since they’re all right of center?
Are you guys referring to the labels as applied to the Democratic party, or the people who self-identify as one or the other?
Because while I think it’s generally fair that the Democratic party is center-right (largely absorbing any half-relevant positions Republicans once had), self-identifying liberals especially of youth and women probably are leftist despite colloquially referring to liberal. In that respect I’d imagine most of these people are effectively Social Democrats by European standards; meaning a mixed bag of regulated markets combined with a strong national government and select nationalized industries (eg, medical insurance). Basically the Nordic Model.
Social democrats and market socialists. The issue is that Lemmy loves to insist on the idea that liberalism and leftism are not compatible, which is an outdated, reductive idea.
Liberalism is just the idea that individual liberty is critical to democratic agency. Myself, and basically every other contemporary leftist of consequence, would argue that democratic agency is also critical to socialism as well.
The only place where this is a controversial take are internet forums where “leftism” means “violent revolutionary fan service” and the participants are, in turn, educated entirely within this framework which exists basically nowhere in the academic mainstream.
a mixed bag of regulated markets combined with a strong national government and select nationalized industries (eg, medical insurance). Basically the Nordic Model
So liberal in exactly the same sense American democrats are… People not liking that “liberal” is a negative in any circle left of those who consider themsleves that, doesn’t change what it means…
How many environmental regulations were there in 1924? How many black people could vote? Child labor laws? Could you vote in primaries, or did party bosses in literal smoke filled rooms choose a candidate? Could states shut down newspapers and ban non-Christians from holding office?
If we go back about ten more years, women can’t vote, and Senators are still chosen by state legislators rather than a popular vote.
Why are leftists so quick to forget their successes?
This is a pet peeve of mine: the term “liberal” has gone through a semantic shift in the US. It used to mean “generally left leaning”. I think maybe the word “progressive” has taken on this role now.
I think the confusion comes from the fact that many European languages always used the cognates of “liberal” to mean “free market”, I.e. “economically conservative”. This is also how the term is used in some academic fields, like economics. But this is precisely the opposite of the other meaning!
It’s pretty clear the article is using the first meaning. They even use “leaning left” interchangeably with “liberal”.
My theory is that since Americans have been interacting with Europeans more online since the 2000s, the terms have become conflated.
Liberals/democrats ARE left wing. Always have been. By definition the term is based on seating arrangements during the French Revolution. Democrats have always been considered left wing, just as republicans have been right wing. It’s just that now:.: the tankies think they own the term.
However- in reality… the FAR LEFT has distanced itself so far from the left wing that it doesn’t even resemble what it began as.
I think you might be misunderstanding the French Revolution. By the time those seating arrangements were in place there weren’t any conservatives left. The ones on the right were the Liberals the ones on the left were the leftists. The girondins were in no way conservative. The mountain was in no way liberal.
The Republicans used to be the more liberal party. The parties literally swapped platforms at one point.
https://www.studentsofhistory.com/ideologies-flip-Democratic-Republican-parties
the FAR LEFT has distanced itself so far from the left wing that it doesn’t even resemble what it began as.
Yeah they’ve really gone off the rails with this whole “don’t block strikes” and “don’t support genocide” nonsense. /s
I’m sorry friend, any knowledge of history or political science is not allowed on Lemmy. You can choose either edgy leftist fan service or a series of escalating bans.
The op isn’t even correct [the idea Democrats and Republicans have always been the same as today is objectively incorrect]. The post never got deleted and there isn’t even enough people on Lemmy to mass downvote a post… Why do you act like the two of you are being martyred for your opinions?
You’re absolutely correct. But I would say on a global scale the American Democrats are still centrist because they embrace managerial capitalism.
They’re not even really social Democrats like you see in Europe.
Well conservatism, especially in the US, is extremely hostile to women, so that makes sense. It’s also hostile to a bunch of other outgroups. And the environment. And truth.
Conservative women confuse the hell out of me. Like conservative brown people.
I grew up in the South, moved to California. Started working with a Latino, who loved guns and idolized the South. Had a rebel flag and everything. He heard my accent and decided we must become friends. I had to very gently inform him that the people he idolizes would gladly tie him to the backs of their trucks and drag him to the Mexican border.
He later decided to throw in with the only other pro-gun group in California: Antifa/far left anarchists, and he seemed much happier with them lol
Pure anecdote but I think it’s representative of the bigger shitshow Republicans brought upon themselves:
My MIL voted for Trump in 2016 and was a lifelong Republican. Because she has two daughters and is quite a proponent of strong independent women, after seeing the reversal of Roe and watching The Handmaid’s Tale, she is now fervently anti-Republican.
After seeing that sudden paradigm shift in beliefs, it gave me a little hope. It also proves yet again that when Republicans actually get to implement the policy they want, it is deeply unpopular.
I mean it’s good that she changed her mind but it’s a little disappointing it took trump and abortion bans for her to connect the dots. Better than nothing I guess.
That’s just nonsense. I don’t agree with the conservative movement either but how is it hostile to women? Let alone extremely hostile.
Abortion ban with no exceptions as the other person said. That’s dangerous and cruel.
Some are against no fault divorce. That’s insane. That’s going to keep people in abusive relationships. That can affect men too but is more common in women.
Deny any gender gaps in pay or other economics. If you refuse to acknowledge a problem, it’s unlikely you’ll remedy it.
Some members seem to think women having the vote was bad, if I remember that Thiel essay correctly.
Generally anti inclusion and diversity stuff.
Frequent apologists for rapists.
At best are indifferent to sexual harassment as a problem.
Bad on social programs, so downstream from that you have like childcare. That affects men, too, but I think via tradition that affects more women.
Bad on child leave. More laws granting maternity and paternity leave is not a conservative position.
That’s just shooting from the hip. I’m not prepared to write a well researched essay on my phone on the train at this time, sorry.
How many states is this actually the case and how many is it just an elective abortion ban with actual exceptions put in place?
Most of Lemmy only knows what conservatism is based on the strawman they get from other lefties, and even if they did know what conservatives actually believe, the vast majority of Lemmy users are incapable of evaluating someone else’s viewpoint on its own terms; they will declare it internally inconsistent when it is merely inconsistent with their own values.
You’re asking a question with the presumption of empathy. That makes you a good person. It also makes you an outcast here.
That’s disturbing and I wonder what I’ve gotten involved with here then cuz I thought this would be the anti-reddit that would support free speech and make it great.
Well fucking vote like it then.
