Generational labeling…
I see it as a way to divide the working class, same as the “lower class”/“middle class” and “unskilled labor”/“skilled labor”.
Lower vs middle class maybe sure, there is discussion there. Skilled vs unskilled labor: you don’t know how to read even Wikipedia. It has nothing to do with skill (you can watch a guy dice an onion in his hand in 4.2 seconds and it’s still “unskilled labor”) and everything to do with choosing the right vocabulary to express a point: some jobs require college or trade school and some do not.
A line chef isn’t considered an unskilled laborer. Unskilled labor is like flipping burgers, digging ditches, and that sort of thing.
Unskilled labor is a bullshit term used to diminish the work done by people in low paying jobs. Many people would say that a line cook is unskilled, slightly above flipping burgers or digging ditches. It’s nebulous and useless for productive conversation
No youre conflating how you define the word “skill” with the actual definition. It’s absolutely unfortunate but just means you didn’t go to school to get the job.
All skilled labor is compressed unskilled labor, or in other words, all unskilled labor is skilled labor.
Training and raising someone to do a job contributes to the value produced by their labor, it matters more in comparison to the aggregate whole than anything else.
I don’t know how to respond to this? I mean yes you are right but the compression is not situation agnostic which is the whole point: some jobs (“skilled labor”) require a particular degree or pretraining as a point of entry, and others (“unskilled labor”) do not. It doesn’t mean it’s not valuable or not worth pursuing, but it’s a mincing of words that are poorly chosen in the first place.
At the end of the day yes both varieties are worth pursuing and are necessary but one has a zero knowledge entry point and the other does not. I don’t agree with “skilled vs unskilled” as vocab goes, but this is the point.
I’d be inclined to believe you if the boomers weren’t literally the ruling class.
Even the poor ones are still land owners, and meanwhile the rest of us have to fight uphill both ways to get a single measly Congress seat!
Let me tell you, then… Boomers are NOT the ruling class. A small group of rich people control most of the wealth in the world. Those people are the ruling class.
Really? Because when I see the folks that hold the line against anything positive getting done, I don’t see rich people, I see wannabe rich boomers. Blocking legislation, packing courts, gerrymandering, keeping the electoral college, introducing politics of spite, it’s all the fucking boomers and I refuse to be gaslit that they aren’t at the core of the problem.
Edit: Great question, thanks for asking!
Division of the working class keeps us fighting ourselves, while the people with money and power keep the status quo.
Great activists in US history have tried to unite the working class, but sadly they tend to get assasinated…
I thought this video would explain where some of us have learned how the class system works.
Economist Richard Wolff explains our class society.
How Class Works – by Richard Wolff [12:36]
Short answer is a person’s class, and the class they serve, is the single most important factor for the amount of power an individual is capable of gaining in society. Class in this context is how you get the money you need to live. The owning class get that money by owning businesses, land, buildings, or intellectual property. The working class gets it by working.
Lemmy is a FOSS answer to the failings of Capitalist Reddit. Everyone who doesn’t care enough is on Reddit, leaving Lemmy with tons of leftists who do care enough.
There’s also Linux, Privacy, and other FOSS things, but FOSS in general aligns with leftist views.
FOSS also aligns with free market capitalist views.
I’m not here because Reddit is capitalist, I’m here because Reddit sucks. I don’t like new Reddit or the Reddit app, and I certainly don’t like the tracking they do. Lemmy seems to be the closest alternative and is good enough, so I’m here.
I consider myself libertarian (not US libertarian party, but ideologically libertarian, like Penn Jillette) and I’ve been a FOSS enthusiast for decades. I contribute to FOSS because I enjoy it and honestly think FOSS projects work better than their alternatives. I don’t do it out if some social obligation or whatever, I do it because it just seems to work better. I disagree politically with the creators of this project, yet I’ve contributed code and enjoy the work they’ve done.
Just an alternative perspective.
Because the principle struggle is the class struggle between the working class and the owning classes, all other strugles are either secondary, incidental, or made up in order to distract us from the principle strugle, or a combination of the above. Once one learns this, the world starts to lock into a better prospective and we can start working to our ultimate goal, making a stew from the Rich
all other strugles are either secondary, incidental, or made up in order to distract us from the principle strugle
I’ve heard this from syndicalists so many times as an excuse for disinvesting from any other contemporary struggle. They end up alienating everyone who cares for more than one issue.
Could of named Desert Storm? Or is that Gen X? Ether way older folks have been labeling the next generation as inept since the beginning of time but were still here long after they die.
I don’t know if you’re serious, trolling, joking, or maybe just referring to the anti-depressant, but it made me chuckle.
Some tail end boomers may have fought in Desert Storm but that’s primarily Gen X.
Then millennials took over since then, and Gen Z joined us in the last decade.
The Boomers had Vietnam … and I guess thought it was so fun they decided to make it worse for all their kids and grandkids
Of COURSE we’re inept - we’re inexperienced. What, did you think we were going to spring out of the womb fully ready to run all of society!?
And even then, how da fuq did we manage to surpass them in knowledge of like every subject imaginable - not just computers/technology but climate change, abortion rights, and most everything else besides?!
Maybe sitting on the couch/sofa isn’t the best way to learn how the world works? Although I could do it, with just a phone in my hand…
But many will vote for tRump anyway, while yelling at me for being “inept”, even as I vote to keep their Social Security and Medicare going that keeps them alive and relatively healthy. Though their happiness is still up to them, so maybe turn off the Faux News that just tells them to be sad 24/7.
But - and this is crucial - many old people will vote for Biden, even while many younger people will vote for tRump, bc while this whole age division thing does exist, it’s irrelevant and meant to distract us from the class warfare division that actually does matter.
Could have**
Yes this is always the way. We will all tell our kids we walked to school uphill both ways in the snow until forever. Hopefully they all still go to school.
a global generation that won’t be storming any beaches or cities would be a blessing for the world
imagine a generation in russia that just keeps doing what they do instead of listening to an old psychopath in Moscow who decides that it would be “good” to send hundreds of thousands to their deaths to bring death and destruction to millions of others
being peaceful is not a shame!
Yeah but… they seemed to not have realized that it would be THEM being used as cannon fodder. They thought they could just reap the benefits without having to lift a finger. It was going to be “repeal and then replace”, and then once they swallowed that line, it reeled them in when it was too late to pull back.
i.e. they were promised peace - the territorial expansion was only supposed to last 3 days and that hardly counted in their eyes - and did not realize that by having elected Putin, it was already too late.
There is also no shame in fighting to demilitarize a dictatorship or tear down a theocracy, though. Tolerance ends with the Intolerant, I only hope that the Zoomers understand that at least as well as Millennials.
Good people who watch others be killed have just as much if not more shame.
fight will end when everybody refuses to fight, not when people with their noble reasons find justifiable excuses to keep fighting
enemy is not detestable theocracies or sick dictators but thinking that there are enemies
we are one and we should act like one
If only one side chooses fight, then fight will end as well. With rivers flowing with blood of the innocents.
Translation
How much years unending
Slaughters inhumane
On children fall from sky
Bombs as bunch of anger
Tanks’ place is in museums
Let them quietly rust there
Body of mother is scarred
Warriors’ place is in romance
Wars are not glory
Groans in bloody mess
Tears, dirt on uniform
Wars don’t have a place in the world
Tanks’ place is in museums
Let them quietly rust there
In tales of old empires
People don’t belive anymore
“Homo homini lupus est” is what we said when
Voice of reason was silent in world and war raged everywhere
When lives were worthless, people were seen only as soldiers
And entire world was turning to burning hell
Why didn’t we become smarter Isn’t it’s time already
To understand as a matter of fact that more important
For hammer of war to stop clutter
Tanks’ place is in museums
Let them quietly rust there
Even as toys
Kids don’t need to know them
I think their point was more about fighting than winning, so the reply doesn’t quite work.
How many people volunteered for Vietnam compared to WWII?
I think that factors into the equation.
I found this
Fact: 2/3 of the men who served in Vietnam were volunteers. 2/3 of the men who served in World War II were drafted. Approximately 70% of those killed in Vietnam were volunteers.
https://www.uswings.com/about-us-wings/vietnam-war-facts/
Dunno about the validity of the claim though
Dunno about the validity of the claim though
But they put “Fact:” there so you know it’s true.
We’ve been a nation at war for the entirety of zoomer’s lives until just a couple years ago. Who does the OP think is fighting in those wars? It was Gen X & millennials, and then zoomers.
No, the reason she used “storming the beaches of Normandy” and not idk, “the beaches of Da Nang”, is because Normandy is associated with the beginning of a turn in fortunes of that conflict which ultimately led to Allied victory. Nobody would fucking care about Normandy if the Nazis won.
Brags about wars she would’ve been intelligible to fight in.
