277 points

Sounds like hdmi Forum are a bunch of twats. Time for a new format.

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DisplayPort already exists

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We cannot have two standards, that’s ridiculous! We need to develop one universal standard that covers everyone’s use cases.

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There are now three competing standards.

https://xkcd.com/927/

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I know what you are referencing, but displayport already covers everybody’s use cases

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21 points

Hi, my name is USB-C!

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20 points

Yes, I agree. And it needs to be open bloody source!!

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55 points

Hard to find on non-pc gear, but that’s a fair point

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16 points

It’s usually easy enough to adapt it as needed. It can typically send signals compatible with HDMI and DVI-D just fine.

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0 points

can’t you just mod it?

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22 points

And also USB c

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87 points

USB-C display output uses the Display Port protocol

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20 points

USB C is just a connector, you might be referring to Displayport over USB C which is basically just the same standard with a different connector at the end. That or Thunderbolt I guess

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USB C seems like a good idea but in reality all it really did was take my 5 different, not interchangeable, but visually distinct, cables, and make them all look identical and require labeling

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I love having mysterious cables that may or may not do things I expect them to when plugged into ports that may or may not support the features I think they do.

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-1 points

you mean thunderbolt?

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Linux has very little to do with DisplayPort. My Windows PCs use DisplayPort. You can get passive adapters to switch from HDMI to DisplayPort etc.

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-7 points

What exactly doesnt work over HDMI?

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39 points

More people should try DP.

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34 points

I thought I had NSFW turned off… 🤣

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19 points

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

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2 points

What do Dill Pickles have to do with being work safe?

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15 points

As already mentioned, DisplayPort exists. The problem is adoption. Even getting DisplayPort adopted as the de facto standard for PC monitors hasn’t done anything to get it built into TVs.

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also there’s still no alternative to hdmi-cec

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DisplayPort supports CEC.

From Wikipedia:

The DisplayPort AUX channel is a half-duplex (bidirectional) data channel used for miscellaneous additional data beyond video and audio, such as EDID (I2C) or CEC commands.

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198 points

DisplayPort for life!

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Is there a reason or way to prevent display port from having so many connection issues specifically on port replicators (docking stations)?

In corporate environments I find so many times that you plug them up over and over, unplug over and over and check the connection a million times before turning everything off one final time, holding the power button on everything (kind of like an smc reset) and then booting up everything like you originally did and they come up. Is this a result of the devices trying to remember a previous setup or is their an easy way to avoid it?

I’ve hooked up dozens of them and still ran into issues when a family member brought a setup home to work when they were sick last week.

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We use Dell WD-19 docks. Not sure if you use similar. Updated dock firmware and laptop drivers made a difference for us with connection issues. Sometimes you gotta perform a reset on them to make them behave (disconnect dock power and USB-C and hold power button for just over 15 sec). Sometimes the laptop NVRAM needs to be reset instead (for Dell, disconnect all devices and power while off and hold button for just over 30 sec). Overall, though, no huge issues with DP specifically if the dock and laptop firmwares are up to date. Third-party docks/replicators definitely have way more issues, though.

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13 points

DP for life!

ftfy

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3 points

That doesn’t do audio too though right?

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It does since version 1.0 it seems?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/DisplayPort#Features

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149 points

This is really frustrating. This is the only thing holding Linux gaming back for me, as someone who games with a AMD GPU and an OLED TV. On Windows 4k120 works fine, but on Linux I can only get 4k60. I’ve been trying to use an adapter, but it crashes a lot.

AMD seemed to be really trying to bring this feature to Linux, too. Really tragic that they were trying to support us, and some anti-open source goons shot them down.

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ive found that the issue in my experience is that X11 only supports a max of 4k60, but Wayland supports 4k120 and beyond. I dont think the cable matters as the same cable im using works on windows with 4k160.

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It’s a matter of cable bandwidth. 4k120 4:4:4 requires more bandwidth than hdmi 2.0 can provide. You can drop down to 4:2:0, but that’s a pretty bad experience and ruins the image quality.

I’ve been using an adapter cable, but it’s really flaky, I don’t know if it’s a bad cable or what. But a normal hdmi cable just plain works on Windows, since the windows amd driver supports hdmi 2.1.

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yes, that is a valid factor. i meant more towards the type of cable doesn’t mater. but yes an up to date spec of the cable is also just as important

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12 points

are you unable to use display port?

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37 points

The OLED TV probably only has HDMI. TVs don’t normally have DisplayPort

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11 points

There are DisplayPort to HDMI adapters. Like this one:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08XFSLWQF

None of the adapters seem to support VRR though, for whatever reason.

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I’m a bit confused by your comment. I have a 120Hz Monitor and use an AMD GPU on linux without issues. Connected via the display port on my GPU to the HDMI Port on my monitor (because samsung does not enable DDC on the display port for some reason).

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I’m using an LG C2 Oled TV that doesnt have displayport.

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I’m using an LG C2 Oled TV that doesnt have displayport.

Connected via the display port on my GPU to the HDMI Port on my monitor

ichbinjasokreativ seems to suggest that the viewing device he/she connects to is done via HDMI, the same as your OLED TV.

Unless I’m missing something?

Edit: You discuss this issue further down in the topic, so no need to reply.

Could have saved myself the time of replying to you if I had scrolled all the way through first, then backtracked, but that’s kind of unintuitive to do, especially on a cell phone browser.

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I have one too. Go take a look at Cable Matters. I am able to play games at 4k120 with my mac. See if something will work for you and you can always send a message to their customer support to ask questions.

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85 points

Should… should we sic EU on them?

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They won’t change…

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35 points

Apple didn’t want to change either hehe

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Yeah, what I mean is that HDMI can be easier replaced than Apple :)

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So why is it rejected?

Just because they’re still trying to use HDMI to prevent piracy? Who in fuck’s name is using HDMI capture for piracy? On a 24fps movie, that’s 237MB of data to process every second just for the video. A 2 hour movie would be 1.6TB. Plus the audio would likely be over 2TB.

I’ve got a Jellyfin server packed with 4K Blu-ray rips that suggest there are easier ways to get at that data.

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The CEO’s of the media companies are all fucking dinosaurs who still think VCRs should have been made illegal. You will never convince them that built in copy protection is a dumb idea and a waste of time.

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Where are they finding dinosaurs to fuck that know what a VCR is?

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3 points

Mine can barely work the TV remote!

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8 points

Can’t you compress what the HDMI outputs in real time so that it would have a normal size?

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Sure. But why bother when you can rip it right from the disc in higher quality than you could ever hope to capture in real time?

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All I can think of would be capturing a live broadcast of something airing on TV, and only on TV. Which… Has to be pretty rare these days. And you still have better methods to capture even that!

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HDMI Splitter + capture card.

No video put on a streaming service produced in the next 40 years will need HDMI 2.1 to display.

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Even despite that HDMI capture is simply an awful way of obtaining that data, it’s even more pathetic when that “protection” can be defeated by a $30 capture card on Amazon…

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The profiles HDMI 2.1 enables are even worse - 4k@120fps type stuff. Not exactly something needed for a movie.

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Most people don’t pirate 4K media due to file size and internet speed constraints. Most people pirate 1080p video. There’s also the prospect of people pirating live television, which HDMI capture would be perfect for.

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Then most people need get a better ISP. My crappy $60/mo fixed 5G can download an entire 4K film in under 10 minutes or start streaming it within a second. Y’all should see if there are any options beyond cable and DSL in your town. You might be pleasantly surprised what’s available these days.

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Is that not a compressed stream though? Genuinely asking. A 4k blu ray rip and a 4k stream from a service (or whatever it saves for offline viewing on an app) a pretty different. I think things are getting conflated with capturing live 4k television and capturing a 4k blu ray as it plays, which both might be using an HDMI cable.

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The raw images are that big, but they’re compressed (even losslessly) to a fraction of the size.

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Any good sources on those rips? You can pm of it helps

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I just use the trusty old Radarr stack to find them. Pulls from https://1337x.to/ https://thepiratebay.org/ and https://therarbg.to/ on my set up.

You have to get there early to have much chance of getting a full 60GB+ 4K Blu-ray rip in a timely manner, but the ~15GB x265 rips are indistinguishable to me.

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Recently become a fan of kickasstorrents, they usually have a x265 version with a bunch of blu-ray extras and Prowlarr already knows who they are.

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Is therarbg safe? The original rarbg closed one or two years ago.

Also, don’t forget torrent private trackers. They’re harder to get in (signups are usually closed, or you need an invite from someone who’s already in), but they’re very good!

Lots of hight quality content, well organized, usually with many seeds.

Of course you need to follow their rules and seed enough.

Usenet is also a surprisingly good way to find content, but you’ll need to pay both an indexer and a server.

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You can pirate media that uses that new blu ray drm by plugging a capture card into the overpriced compatible DVD player and recording the video. Also, it’s a way to transfer saved content from a dvr as their hard drives are always encrypted (do those still exist). The video stream on all this stuff is encrypted with hdcp to prevent this but there exist hdcp strippers. It seems to still be possible to buy them even on Amazon. Stock up before they get banned. Frankly I’m surprised they aren’t banned already.

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