26 points

Because they have already degenerated?

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An average middle aged American would make both candidates look too old and not suited for the presidency…

But when it’s Biden and trump, criticizing ones mental ability just makes people claim it’s not a big deal because the other is bad too.

Neoliberals claim Biden is better, republicans claim trump is better.

Everyone else says both aren’t good enough and why the fuck are these the only two options…

This is going to be a low turnout election, and those are the ones Republicans tend to win.

Ignoring it while there’s still time to fix it only helps trump. Because Republicans are better at ignoring reality than anyone else.

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Everyone else says both aren’t good

False equivalence. Old <> Narcissistic Dementia.

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Everybody hates politicians. Super easy to criticize any particular politician, and not likely to generate much angry feedback.

Trump is a fucking goldmine of material. The sheer diversity of his bullshit means that no one topic stays relevant for very long.

Biden, though? You’ve got age and Israel, and Israel has way too much other stuff associated to bring up in mixed company. The reason people harp so much on Biden’s age is because there’s nothing else they can talk about.

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You’re replying from a liberal point of view. I also disagree with how he’s doing student loan forgiveness, marijuana, and how he’s still pushing roads instead of public transportation.

He’s also preventing Warren from being president while she’s still “young”.

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The reason people harp so much on Biden’s age is because there’s nothing else they can talk about.

Climate change, we have record breaking fossil fuels production and still subsidizing it.

Economy, only good for the 1%, Biden keeps bragging about it.

Healthcare, just ignoring it

Cannabis, Biden ain’t even going to deregulate which was his campaign promises

Education, K-12 still terrible, student loans that have been forgiven isn’t even a rounding error in total debt

Policing/legal system, still absolutely fucked, not being addressed

SC, won’t admit it needs fixed

Abortion, Biden won’t take action. Just says trump would make it worse again.

Do I need to continue?

Biden disagrees with his voters on lots of things, just because people are focused on a few, doesn’t mean the rest disappeared.

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Mate, I am a conservative independent who doesn’t like Biden. But please vote for Biden. There is a different between a bad but competent president (Biden) and someone who frequently undermines American institutions (Trump).

Accountability should be a conservative view, but things are so skewed right now that it’s seen as liberal or far left.

If there was ANYONE else viable, we could talk about getting someone viable. But right now it’s clear that there isn’t.

It’s very important to vote for the better candidate while simultaneously making moves to better the system overall.

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The DNC has had the chance to primary Biden with someone more viable, they decided to stick with the guy that swore he would be a 1 term president that no one wants in office. Voters have had 3 years to demand change in the party, instead they punched at anyone trying to hold the party and Biden accountable. This combined with the gaslighting coming from the party that the economy is good and that we are not struggling while we know we are tells us they are not listening to our needs.

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More bullshit DNC conspiracies. The “far left” is just a one-trick pony, isn’t it?

At no point has this been difficult to understand: folks don’t turn out for primaries. They didn’t when Bernie ran, and they aren’t now. Good news though, we can just slap tin foil on and pretend that America is just as left-wing as a username that lays out its own naïveté.

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The thing is, you’re looking for big sudden change and you think most voters think like you. Big change happens over time with lots of effort, and clearly some people want Biden in office - even if that’s neither me nor you.

From a metrics standpoint, the economy is doing great. However, old metrics may no longer be applicable and would need to be adjusted. It doesn’t mean you and I are doing well.

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Accountability should be a conservative view

Since when?

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It should be a view of everyone, especially the so-called fiscal conservatives

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoliberalism

That word still doesn’t mean what you think it means.

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Nope, gotta scroll down to “current usage”

Historian Elizabeth Shermer argued that the term gained popularity largely among left-leaning academics in the 1970s to “describe and decry a late twentieth-century effort by policymakers, think-tank experts, and industrialists to condemn social-democratic reforms and unapologetically implement free-market policies”;[51] economic historian Phillip W. Magness notes its reemergence in academic literature in the mid-1980s, after French philosopher Michel Foucault brought attention to it.[52]

At a base level we can say that when we make reference to ‘neoliberalism’, we are generally referring to the new political, economic and social arrangements within society that emphasize market relations, re-tasking the role of the state, and individual responsibility. Most scholars tend to agree that neoliberalism is broadly defined as the extension of competitive markets into all areas of life, including the economy, politics and society.

The Handbook of Neoliberalism[22]

Neoliberalism is contemporarily used to refer to market-oriented reform policies such as "eliminating price controls, deregulating capital markets, lowering trade barriers" and reducing, especially through privatization and austerity, state influence in the economy.[8] It is also commonly associated with the economic policies introduced by Margaret Thatcher in the United Kingdom and Ronald Reagan in the United States.[28] Some scholars note it has a number of distinct usages in different spheres:[53]

They love changing the name for it, but their principles remain steadfast.

Hell, Biden even tried to co-opt “Reaganomics” into “Bidenomics” and trumps been using the “MAGA” campaign slogan that Regan used…

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You cannot be more wrong.

It is also commonly associated with the economic policies introduced by Margaret Thatcher in the United Kingdom and Ronald Reagan in the United States.

As a public policy, it involves the privatization of public economic sectors or services, the deregulation of private corporations, sharp decrease of government budget deficits and reduction of spending on public works.

There is debate over the meaning of the term. Sociologists Fred L. Block and Margaret Somers claim there is a dispute over what to call the influence of free-market ideas which have been used to justify the retrenchment of New Deal programs and policies since the 1980s: neoliberalism, laissez-faire or “free market ideology”.[54] Other academics such as Susan Braedley and Med Luxton assert that neoliberalism is a political philosophy which seeks to “liberate” the processes of capital accumulation.[55] In contrast, Frances Fox Piven sees neoliberalism as essentially hyper-capitalism.[56] Robert W. McChesney, while defining neoliberalism similarly as “capitalism with the gloves off”, goes on to assert that the term is largely unknown by the general public, particularly in the United States.[57] Lester Spence uses the term to critique trends in Black politics, defining neoliberalism as “the general idea that society works best when the people and the institutions within it work or are shaped to work according to market principles”.[58] According to Philip Mirowski, neoliberalism views the market as the greatest information processor, superior to any human being. It is hence considered as the arbiter of truth. Adam Kotsko describes neoliberalism as political theology, as it goes beyond simply being a formula for an economic policy agenda and instead infuses it with a moral ethos that “aspires to be a complete way of life and a holistic worldview, in a way that previous models of capitalism did not.”

Neoliberalism is distinct from liberalism insofar as it does not advocate laissez-faire economic policy, but instead is highly constructivist and advocates a strong state to bring about market-like reforms in every aspect of society.[60] Anthropologist Jason Hickel also rejects the notion that neoliberalism necessitates the retreat of the state in favor of totally free markets, arguing that the spread of neoliberalism required substantial state intervention to establish a global ‘free market’.[61] Naomi Klein states that the three policy pillars of neoliberalism are “privatization of the public sphere, deregulation of the corporate sector, and the lowering of income and corporate taxes, paid for with cuts to public spending”.

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With these two it seems like they’re really trying to add a new president to the list of those that died in office. Last one that wasn’t assassinated was FDR in 1945. Going to be really important who these crypt keepers run as their VP because there is a very good chance they’ll be the president before the end of their term.

How are Kamala Harris polling numbers these days? If they’re better than Biden’s (and that’s a really low bar so I’d kind of be surprised if they aren’t) it would be smart of the Democrats to encourage people to vote to support her in the incredibly likely chance that Biden dies in office making her the president.

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Time? What time do you think we have? The hour is later than you think. Trump’s forces are already moving. The Nine have left Mar-a-Lago. They crossed the River Delaware on Midsummer’s Eve, disguised as lobbyists in black.

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Primary ain’t over, we haven’t even met Tom Bombadil yet…

Gandalf didn’t grab the first person under 5foot he saw, he picked a young fool of a Took who had the heart, courage, and willingness to keep marching against impossible odds.

Even he recognized Bilbo was too old and corrupted by power to make the journey.

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Frodo and Sam made it to Mount Doom because they moved in secret and carried the one thing that could kill Trump, I mean Sauron, without direct confrontation. Like it or not, in this analogy, Biden is our Aragorn. Come to think of it, they are about the same age! If there is a Frodo secretly making his way to Mount Doom with Putin’s kompromat, I mean the One Ring, we don’t know about it yet.

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This is why it’s essential for those debates to happen. Yes, both men are declining mentally, but Biden can at least make a coherent argument, even if he mixes up names sometimes.

There is no excuse for either candidate to avoid debates anymore. we need to hear them talk, without prepared speeches. I will take Biden’s odds on that over Trump’s any day.

If Biden wins this thing, I think history will find that the reason he beat Trump twice was that he was not at all intimidated by him. He takes Trump seriously, but also has the courage to call him out for the liar he is, convincingly, without dismissing his supporters as a bunch of losers. That takes a bit of confidence that only age can bring. Maybe Bernie could have done it, but I don’t think any other candidate could. Clinton absolutely failed at that.

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And to clarify here. Biden is declining because we all do at that age. No one is immune to that. Trump is declining because he has abused who knows how many different drugs and fuck knows what else over the decades, add that history to age and it’s never going to be good. Biden has always had a stutter and while I know you didn’t mention it, it’s been used a bully stick by the maggats seemingly unaware of the fact that their guy has been deranged and unable to stay on topic for years.

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I agree with all of that. His issues go beyond his stutter, though. His mouth has always been a step or two ahead of his brain, and he got himself into trouble in the past saying stupid shit. He has run for President for years and years, and couldn’t win until Trump made it OK to say stupid stuff.

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You’re a lying, dog-faced pony soldier!

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The times he tried running for president he backed out for the blatant lies he told while running. No speech impediment forces someone to lie.

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Biden was a front runner in 88 due to his public speaking being so exceptional. Didn’t have a hint of a stutter either.

It wasn’t till reporters starting questioning him about plagiarism till he had to drop out. And it wasn’t because of the plagiarism.

It’s because when someone challenges Biden, he’s always lost his temper and started insulting them

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1j0FS0Z6ho

All that IQ stuff at the start is like what trump does. And all those statistics he rattled off turned out to be lies. When they were fact checked he dropped.

But the point is, Bidens current issues with speeching isn’t his stutter, he got over that while he was still a child. What’s happening now is what will happen to all of us if we’re lucky enough to live that long. His age is effecting him like it would anyone else.

So maybe we should run someone 20 years younger who’s only 61? Younger would be better, but 81 is just ridiculous

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Are you talking about Biden here? I don’t remember him really running in any elections after serving with Obama. Trump is the one who had to run multiple times and only had a chance when he switched from dem to republican and got backing from putin and others, plus the msm thinking he had no chance so they used him for ratings and helped him win, yes, even the left wing media. If they had just stopped giving him attention we wouldn’t be in this mess.

And what stupid stuff has Biden said? Aside from gaffs that everyone has especially when you talk as much as they do and when you are being pulled in several directions, etc.

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they’re for all intents and purposes the same age

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And your point is?

My point is that it’s expected to have some mental decline by that age but I would still bet on Biden if they went toe to toe on jeopardy or at a bars trivia night. And while Biden wouldn’t have been my first choice for president to begin with, he is still light years better than trump ever was even at this point and I’ll take Biden over most of the current choices on the left especially because those others have zero chance of winning.

With and without the help of things like heavy drinking, drug use, lifestyle, etc, everyone ages differently. I know this from my own family and watching the world around me. Trump has been incoherent for a couple of decades now while Biden has been able to control it (for the most part).

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Shit, I’m 34 and I mix up names sometimes. If I had to keep track of as many people as he does, I’d mix up names all the time.

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This right here. I’m (soon to be) 43 and I’ve always been bad with names. I drive for a living (uber, etc and my own service) I see so many people and have so many regulars that it’s only the most frequent regulars and those with unique names who I could pick out of a lineup.

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It is important that, eventually, they are told they are retarded losers though… Even if Trump wins.

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The person in the chair stopped being important quite a while ago. Now both parties just have lists of smart/rich people willing to implement their specific policies, and they try not to fire critically important gov employees.

I’m not both siding the issue. One side attracts all the Nazis and KKK.

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To his supporters this is a feature, not a bug.

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They are fine with a Weekend at Bernie’s presidency so long as it brings them closer to the theocratic hellscape they want us to live in.

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He’s more useful as an incoherent, babbling dementia patient. Even more if dead. They can just turn him into a literal puppet.

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