Can we just go back to personal websites and forums?
Also fuck discord use mumble
It’s even worse when open source projects point you towards their discord for questions and support.
It’s just a black hole for information
I hate that so much, especially when GitHub lets have your own wiki. It’s just lazy devs.
Discord is trash, had issues with a KBDFans product, something as simple as a search of a forum would have given me the solution. I had to talk to a human to get the required information. They sent me a link to a firmware to download and all was good.
If I was able to search a forum it would have been a 2 minute job, but I wasted someone else’s time, on the other side of the globe.
And if you’ve ever used it you know how bad the search feature is. Case in point https://support.discord.com/hc/en-us/community/posts/360043045592-Exact-search
please do show me a single messaging platform that can easily and sanely house a population of >50k people on the same server, and allows that for absolutely free, while providing reasonably high quality voice messaging and streaming with negligible latency
While discord doesn’t necessarily cost money, it for sure also isn’t free. In fact it’s the reddit problem but way worse. A proprietary non-searchable database with all content fully licensed to discord including the right to sub-license. At least, Reddit had an API and is still searchable through their public facing http. I mean I get people don’t want their group messages readable by everyone, bit for large groups, it makes sense.
Why would I ever want that?
I can’t think of a single instance where I want to be messaging 50k people at once
I’m surprised that the service works at all in Russia. Isn’t there some sort of sanction that disallows that? I think it’s time for someone to look into that.
The Russia government is probably happy to have people chatting in an unencrypted service
messages between client and server are still encrypted tho so does it really matter
No, because the MITM attack is the relevant government walking up to discord with a paper saying “I do what I want”
Man in the Middle = Government subpoena
Since when is Discord a proper place to get information? On larger servers, anything you type is gone forever after an hour due to the volume of messages.
For someone in Russia, the impermanence might be a desirable feature. I mean, there’s always still IRC but Discord is all the rage these days.
Get off my lawn.
Do you not know how to properly search in discord? Sure forums are better but a message in discord isn’t “gone forever” if you’re searching. It’s a pretty fast to search too, which is an insanely impressive feat due to the sheer amount of messages.
The search bar is at the top of the screen. Click inside of it and it shows you what you can search. It’s dirt easy.
When I don’t find information through a search engine, I go asking it from people themselves.
Discord is an easy solution for me to find this information at that point.
Much easier than generating yet another user account in a website I might use once in my life, while I already use discord a lot.
By the way - you can search for messages you have sent and for messages that were pointed directly to you. Makes delving into old conversations much easier.
Of course Telegram and other services like that can help too.
Is Lemmy going to be one of the only places we can go to get uncensored content? Even the mainstream UK and US news outlets are filtering things.
Lmao nah. Lemmy is just decentralized censorship. Anyone can ban or block anything else; anyone can start their own community instance and kill it on a whim. Multiple communities have already defederated in the less than a year that I’ve been on here.
Lemmy solves the issue of centralized censorship/echo chamber communities, by replacing them with individual personalized echo chambers that you get to censor yourself. It’s a lot of work to set it up and sustain that type of situation, so it’s not realistic for a rational person that does not have a severe internet addiction to waste their time and effort doing it.
replacing them with individual personalized echo chambers
Which really wouldn’t be that bad if instances were more clear about how they operate. Like, on the user signup page, there should be a big ol checkbox saying “I UNDERSTAND THAT ANYTHING THATS NOT A POSITIVE POST ABOUT COMMUNISM WILL GET ME BANNED” or whatever
Lemmy is just decentralized censorship.
It more like the opposite. Federated instances can keep all the federated posts without ever deleting them. Then also sell and monetize it.
anyone can start their own community instance and kill it on a whim.
Shutting down an instance doesn’t mean it’s censorship. If a library shuts down if it can’t stay up, is that censorship?
It’s a lot of work to set it up and sustain that type of situation, so it’s not realistic for a rational person that does not have a severe internet addiction to waste their time and effort doing it.
Lol, freeloader says what?
what are the symptoms of internet addiction, and can it be treated with alcohol?
Lemmy is massively censored. I just got another ban recently for taking about .ml bans in a .world thread.
It’s wrong to say that Lemmy is censored. Certain Lemmy instances censor more than others. Go to instances you like that don’t censor the stuff you don’t want censored.
The issue is that right now about a third to a half of the content is on instances which will ban you for random shit without notification. The only way to tell is to search that instance’s modlog, so you can effectively get shadow banned from half of Lemmy even while participating in the “free” half.
I agree that what you say is the longer term ideal, but it’s not how things currently are. I also don’t trust the .ml devs to not keep their thumb on the scale in various shady ways. They have shown themselves to be pretty shameless so far and there are plenty of ways they could quietly shape federated content by running a malicious fork. It already seems like they don’t federate much of their modlog, for example.
not sure about OP’s case but I’ve seen the .ml mods/admins censoring info about which mod did what mod action. Even called it “doxxing” (like wtf it’s public info to any other instance admin and users depending on the instance settings) so I could see them banning someone over that
I see censorship on Lemmy approaching Reddit levels more often than I’m comfortable with. The same mods moved here unfortunately.
Then go to other instances. Lemmy isn’t censored, the instances you visit are. You are free to start your own instance without any censoring if you want.
you sound surprised that western governments censor things in their news.
Looks like the Nordic countries have some of the best protections for their press.
The U.S. is ranked around 45th which is disappointing considering the first amendment is supposed to guarantee freedom of the press.
But in general western countries are far better than places like Russia, China, India, the Middle East, etc.
You’re completely ignoring self-censorship practiced by the press in favour of financial gains. “Oops, looks like Nestlé just paid us a lot of cash for an ad. I guess that story about their security force beating up a bunch of slaves won’t be getting a page after all”.
The U.S. is ranked around 45th which is disappointing considering the first amendment is supposed to guarantee freedom of the press.
Not really disappointing looking from the outside. Clickbait constitutions are good for propaganda for the populace. They tell you you’re living in the best country in the world while the politicians propose death sentence for women who have abortions. Cause war crimes the world over while populace thanks them for their service.
“Disappointing” is putting it lightly to the amount of disgrace it has caused.
bruh
