Uber CEO balks after a reporter tells him the cost of his 2.9-mile Uber ride: ‘Oh my God. Wow.’::undefined
The fact that a 2.9 mi car ride costs $50 with a tip is fucking insane. This country is absolutely backwards when it comes to transportation. Everything is nearly car centric. Minimal options for alternatives.
People who have never experience good public transport don’t know what they’re missing tbh. When I lived in Japan for a few months I could get around the whole city without much planning. It was so freeing not having to think about transportation. I think public transportation + last mile assistance (e-scooters, e-bikes etc.) is by far the most efficient an free transportation experience out there.
I recently got a folding e-bike in a city with great public transport (a folding bike can be carried along at any time, regular bikes only outside rush hours). Now I can be anywhere in the city within about 20mins, which is very liberating. I’m actually faster than going by car due to being able to bypass traffic jams, and not even including the 20mins+ needed for finding a parking spot.
You might hear about medallions in New York City and this is the agency that sells them, enabling a taxi to operate in the city legally.
Bear in mind this was in Manhattan, one of the most transit oriented places in the world. You could go that distance by subway for $2.75, 24 hours a day. Either the journalist was being stupid, or overlaps more likely, wanted to prove a point.
NYC might be the most “transit-oriented” city in America, but in the world? Not then close. Not by a mile.
Most big cities in Europe have a mix of buses, subways, and trams that make taking public transport a no-brainer. That includes Eastern Europe, too. That’s also true of any big city in China, Korea, and Japan.
What makes you say that New York doesn’t have that, most of the city is well served by rapid transit. And I was talking about Manhattan specifically, which is one of the most transit dense places in the world, even if you leave out local buses and just stick to subway and BRT, you can basically get anywhere in the borough. Yeah, parts of the outer boroughs lack frequent transit (especially SI),but most NYers don’t drive, sticking to trains and the occasional taxi. If New York isn’t transit oriented, I don’t know what is.
In a faint way, I might almost frame this as a positive thing.
The gig workers driving Uber vehicles are generally the sort of people that absolutely need it. And, especially in a hub like New York City, $50 fares should be the sort of thing that pushes people into making use of either the bike share system or subway, rather than promoting increased traffic congestion at peak times. And yes, I am aware in many cases that results in increased trip times; which should be a motive to invest further in these systems to make them faster and more convenient.
I don’t think it’s just Uber - America will at some point have to wake up to the expected costs of its heavily service-focused industries, the value of an individual person’s time, and of one’s own personal vehicle for a trip.
Actually I live in NYC and often public transportation, especially bikes, are faster to get around Manhattan than car services. Outer boroughs need more infrastructure though. Places like Queens and Brooklyn as you get away from the city become harder to navigate without a car or car service and taxis can be rarer
As someone from rural Scotland, hearing Brooklyn described as ‘getting away from the city’ is unintentionally hilarious!
Ha, it is definitely a local slang. People in outer boroughs will say “I’m going into the city for the day” if they are going into Manhattan, even though all the boroughs are “New York City” and mostly high density
I visited NYC this spring with my wife and we took precisely one Uber ride, from the airport to our hotel. It was $80. We then proceeded to spend less than $80 total the rest of our several day trip crisscrossing all over Manhattan on public transit, including back to the airport to leave. Public transit was faster, cheaper, and easier than the Uber, for sure.
Uber jacks up prices in “airport zones” to an insane degree. For example an Uber from Seattle to Sea-Tac is about $75. I rented a car in Portland, drove up to Seattle for the weekend, and drove myself to the airport for $60. An Amtrak ticket from Portland- Seattle is around $40 usually.
This doesn’t work everywhere, but when I’m flying back into PDX (the best airport) I’ll take the light rail public transit two stops and get a ride share from the Target parking lot. Ends up being about half the price once you’re far enough away.
Last time I took a taxi from an airport was when I was on crutches recovering from a leg injury, and even then I thought twice about it.
“From airport to city center” is such a common trip that it’s often going to be the best arrangement of transit lines the city has, even if other paths are less optimal.
Doesnt sound like you know the outer boroughs that well if you think we need cars in Broolyn. Brooklyn as a whole is very well covered with subway and bus lines. You simply don’t need a car in Broolyn. Queens on the other hand is different. Although majority of the population in Queens has access to subway, a good chunk of the territory has limited access to subway lines. They can rely on public bus but that’s not always convenient. For those parts of Queens, I agree, you MIGHT need a car. Even staten island has its own subway line and busses. Most people on Staten Island has a car because it’s just more convenient to get out of the island.
You don’t need a car in Brooklyn, but I am not wrong with what I said.
As you leave Manhattan the farther away you get the more you will see cars and the less you will see public transportation options. This is an inarguable fact. From the US Census, Staten Island has the highest amount of car ownership, only 16% of households in Staten Island did not have a car in 2021. 37% of Queens households did not have cars, 55% of Brooklyn did not have cars, 59% of the Bronx did not have cars. Maybe I should have said Staten Island and Queens instead of Brooklyn, but almost half the households have cars in Brooklyn.
In Manhattan, 76% of households do not have cars.
Many parts of Queens and Brooklyn are considered “underserved” by public transportation by the city and state governments and it is a very known equity issue in the city. Improvements have been made over the recent years, hopefully we will see the new Interborough Express completed.
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Does a CEO even know the value of $20 or $51? Isn’t that the same as $0 to them?
Went to a concert at an arena about 3 miles from my house, to get there was about eight bucks to go home was 60.
Yep. Went to Disneyland a year ago and the trip there was very affordable. The trip home was 3-4x higher since it was closing time.
I mean that’s how the market works isn’t it? It’s the best way to attract more drivers to those sort of locations.
That said public transport should be in place for situations like this so we don’t have 50 cars leaving but 1 bus instead…
It’s almost like we should regulate the industry to ensure that no one party in the deal is abusing the other. Taxis are regulated and can’t charge surge rates for a reason, when you are stuck somewhere and there are only a couple options to choose it isn’t a balanced market and therefore needs the state to ensure fairness
It’s pretty funny how most of these things play out. It’s always the same - disruptive service opens up and is cheaper than everything else. People complain they don’t pay workers enough. They start paying workers more, increasing prices to be able to afford it. People complain it’s too expensive.
You can’t have a cheap product while paying the employees lots of money in a service where the majority of the money goes to the employee.
Uber’s net profit for the twelve months ending March 31st, 2023 was $-3.36bn. That’s negative 3.36 billion dollars. They posted their first ever operating profit today. August 1st, 2023.
So yeah, really cool company. Not at all some sort of horrifying demon of modern capitalism…
Pretty sure Uber’s sole existence is owed to cheap debt and a bubble in venture capital. Them and WeWork soaked investors for all they were worth and never gave a flying fig about profitability because there was always some one willing to float a cheap loan
They got investment because they were building a monopoly first. It really just tells you how valuable monopolies are if it wasn’t obvious enough already. It’s more reason why we can’t let monopolies happen.
It was a sound business idea though. Just a shitty investment idea.
The owners/founders made shitloads off it (at the expense of investors.)
I really don’t know how they are not profitable. They must waste a shit ton on self driving technology. They effectively killed a large portion of the taxi industry while now costing more. It’s not as if their app is done miracle app these days. The few taxi services that are left tend to basically have a similar app.
