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The US shifted from a veto to abstaining, which is as close as the US is likely going to get to voting against Israel. That’s actually a huge shift, as soft as it might seem.

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Tough for Biden to balance between:

  • Leaning too heavily into Israel and siding with genocide.

  • Leaning too heavily against, and being accused of being pro-Hamas.

Worse, if Biden withdraws all aid to Israel and then Israel is hit with another terrorist attack, manufactured or not, that’s the end of Biden.

Within the electorate resides Jewish Americans who still largely support Israel by the polling, and the progressives and Palestinian Americans (a fat smaller voting bloc).

Best Biden is going to manage in toeing the line is singling out Netanyahu (who himself is unpopular in Israel) instead of Israel itself and actions like this.

The risk obviously being that if Biden loses this election, the guy who wouldn’t just indirectly but likely directly commit genocide against Palestinians would come in and you certainly wouldn’t hear the words, “indiscriminate bombing” from Trump’s facial sphincter…

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if Biden withdraws all aid to Israel and then Israel is hit with another terrorist attack, manufactured or not, that’s the end of Biden.

Crazy that it’s somehow Biden’s fault if they get attacked again. Imagine if Netanyahu lost his power because someone else his the US with a terror attack.

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I don’t see how it would be the end of Biden anyway, he’s not responsible for the security of Israel.

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6 points

Everyone forgot about Ukraine already

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Is this a rerun of the vote where Russia and China vetoed last week?

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No. That vote was on the US’ draft of a ceasefire resolution. China and Russia blocked it.

Now the US is getting out of the way for a different, non US drafted, version of a ceasefire resolution to pass.

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We’d need the texts of all the different resolutions the SC has attempted on this issue to say what changed where at whose request, but the article makes it look this is closer to a rerun of resolutions the US vetoed weeks ago

The UN Security Council has called for an “immediate ceasefire” in Gaza, after the US did not veto the measure in a shift from its previous position

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Wording related to the release of all the hostages was added, hence why the US didn’t veto:

https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/03/1147931

The UN Security Council on Monday passed a resolution demanding an immediate ceasefire for the month of Ramadan, the immediate and unconditional release of hostages and “the urgent need to expand the flow” of aid into Gaza.

Emphasis mine.

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Useless and boring. If Hamas wants to they could end it at any time, but they don’t care about the people who voted them into power so they won’t.

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This isn’t about those stupid fucking terrorists, it’s about stopping the other bunch of fucking terrorists who killed 20,000+ innocents from massacring more people, or destroying their homes and infrastructure leading to a slow lingering death from starvation and exposure just so that they can kill people and pretend it isn’t their fault.

Fuck hummus and fuck Israel!

May every baby killer burn alive and conscious

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what is your plan for hamas ending it at any time?

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11 points

Release the hostages.

What they won’t acknowledge is that holding those hostages is basically the last bargaining chip keeping Israel from just bombing all of Gaza into rubble. What’s left of it after all the bombing until now, that is.

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holding those hostages is basically the last bargaining chip keeping Israel from just bombing all of Gaza into rubble

so in other words, it wouldn’t end it any time, because israel would continue to bomb gaza into rubble?

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Release all hostages, stop further terror attacks, and stop launching rockets.

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Releasing the hostages

oh you mean like the cease fire they offered months ago that was refused?

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5 points

Yup just let Israel erase them. That would certainly end it. Why didn’t the Jews in Germany and Poland try that?

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And stop displacing people on the west bank! Oh wait thats not hamas, carry on then

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How many of the thousands of children Israel has killed in Palestine were members of Hamas? How is it Hamas’ fault that those children were killed by Israel?

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You could argue , that it wasn’t a terrorist attack on Israel that started this. Since Hamas is the legitimate government of Gaza, you could argue they declared war, they invaded. A response to a country invading is very different from a response to a terrorist attack

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Is the appropriate response “kill over 10,000 children?”

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No they can’t. They aren’t the ones in someone else’s home.

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Jews came from Judea.

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So did Palestinians. Doesn’t make it okay to to go into someone else’s home, destroy everything, and tell them they can end the destruction of their home any time they want.

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