89 points

This is a bad post. Polyamory is NOT about sex and it’s NOT a fetish.

It can work extremely well and be extremely loving if done correctly. The problem is, it’s not as easy as people often think it is when trying to idealize it.

Communication is extremely important in every relationship and that only multiplies when you have more than one partner.

If you have a feeling of jealousy… Talk about it…

If you don’t think your partner is spending enough time with you… Talk about it…

If you aren’t enjoying sex with your partner… TALK ABOUT IT!

I’ve been with my fiancé for almost 4 years, my bf and I are celebrating our 1 year next month, and I have a new first date next Wednesday. My fiancé has even been with their nesting partner (who is monogamous) for 8 years now.

This all happened because we have clear ground rules and boundaries as well as active communication.

I’ve never felt more loved than when my fiancé helped me pick out my outfit for my first date with my bf.

I love them both so tremendously and it pisses me off when people tell me that isn’t possible or that all I care about is sex.

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I think there are an unfortunate number of monogamous people who decide to try polyamory to fix or hold on to a dying relationship. It’s not a surprise that that often goes extremely poorly. It’s not for everyone and it’s not gonna fix any problems.

I’ve dated a couple of people who are poly, and while I’d always been in monogamous relationships, I was open to the idea. I don’t think love is a finite resource, and I’m not a jealous person at all, and it turns out, it doesn’t bother me at all. I also stay well away from anyone who thrives on drama, so all involved were very honest and adult about the whole thing. I wasn’t in a good headspace for any relationship at the time, so it didn’t work, but I’d absolutely be willing to try it again.

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18 points

It’s really awesome that you noticed your own needs and put those first. That’s really awesome and I’m proud of you for doing so.

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23 points

My nesting partner and I do not have a sexual relationship anymore, and that’s totally fine. We’re still in love and enjoy spending lots of time together. Polyamory is not about sex. I have other sexual partners sometimes, and that’s fine. My NP also has a girlfriend who she doesn’t have sex with either, and they get along like gangbusters.

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17 points

Exactly! Sex is completely unrelated to the process as a whole.

It’s gross how often people think that being in love is just to have someone to fuck.

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-1 points

For a lot of people partnerships, cohabitation, and sex are ALL conflated into one big, messy thing. For a lot of men there’s an amount of ownership in there too.

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3 points

I posed it as a question for a reason. I can say every poly relationship I have known has ended in flames, but I’m open to all opinions.

But there is no question some people should just get divorced.

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12 points

I can say every poly relationship I have known has ended in flames

I strongly dislike this trope. Most monogamous relationships also end badly. Relationships are hard.

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Well they have is all I can say. Two of them ended particularly badly when the person in them who encouraged the poly relationship up and left the person they invited to be poly. My one friend ended up suddenly homeless when her poly couple threw her out after she had moved across country to be with them, and another who had been encouraged by his wife to practice being poly ended up having said wife vacate the premises while he was away for a weekend and empty their bank account and change her number and vanish. Like it was pretty bad.

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2 points

Mah people represent 🥹

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What if I wanna talk and they don’t?

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2 points

As with any relationship, you can either decide it’s not worth it to keep bringing up… Or if it matters a lot to you, you can break up.

Sometimes, even with a lot of communication, the relationship just doesn’t work. Not everyone is meant to be. Sometimes your needs are very different from your partner(s) needs and separation is the best way to make you both happier in the long run.

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47 points

If people want to practice polyamory I suppose that’s their business. I personally have known a lot of people who turned their lives upside down to be in polyamorous relationships and they generally always fall apart over jealousy. One person always ends up feeling left out usually.

If you want that and you can make it work though then more power to you!

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42 points

Also if sex is all there is holding your relationship together you are fucked

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12 points

Literally!

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15 points

I guarantee you know more monogamous people who have lost their relationships to jealousy.

This isn’t a polyamory issue

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8 points

I think it’s different for bi people maybe, but I can say everyone i know who has done it has broken up.

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23 points

I had a roommate who was bi and he moved like 4 states away to be in a poly relationship with like 5 other people and he moved into their house with them and everything. I saw an update from him that they had broken up and he was moving again like 3 months after that! It honestly just sounds exhausting

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10 points

That’s not a poly problem, it is a possibility in any long distance relationship.

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5 points

That sounds…gross.

My friend moved to be part of a throuple across the country, with a husband and wife couple, and in two months he had kicked my friend out when she had nowhere to go.

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10 points

Me and my two boyfriends are bisexual. We have been on a long distance relationship for almost 2 years and there never was a issue with jealousy between us. We are a family. We love each other and all we want is to stay with each other.

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8 points

I’ve been with my wife for 5 years and have been poly from the start. My gf and I have been together for nearly as long and her and my wife get along as do I and her husband

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Out of curiosity, since they way you put it it’s “the three of us” which sound beautiful: How would you (meaning two of you) handle it if one of the others wanted to break out? I mean, break-ups happen, so I’m just wondering if you’ve ever thought about how you would handle being the “only two left” in that kind of scenario?

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1 point

It sounds like you might be a women from context, given you stated you are bi and have two boyfriends do you ever feel like you’re missing out on not having a girlfriend to fill in that need?

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2 points

This time it’ll be different though, I swear. Your sister is like family, it’ll be fine.

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7 points

I’ve been poly for 5ish years now and never had an issue. I’m engaged and I also have an amazing bf. It’s a lot of work but… It’s amazingly worth it when it works. I love my partners so much and I’m glad they have other people around them that can make them as happy as they can be.

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38 points

There is a real phenomenon where many people try polyamory before they accept that their original relationship should end, then go back to just being single or start a different monogamous relationship.

This “transitional” polyamory is often looked down on but I think it’s another honest attempt to deal with the pressures and problems of expected monogamy.

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My friend did it. Initially it was because her SO became basically asexual and she was trying to make it work while also meeting her own needs, and she ended up leaving him for her polyamorous partner and they got married and have been together for ages and had a baby. Sometimes the way on is the way out I guess.

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And this is exactly why obsessive polygamy monogamy is actually pretty toxic when you think about it. This kind of experience could also reasonably lead back to your partner, along with a renewed sense of dedication, if such a lapse of judgement was tolerated the way basically every other misstep in a marriage or serious relationship is tolerated.

I see couples forgive way worse shit than a bit of meaningless infidelity on a routine basis.

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I’m not sure what you mean by obsessive polygamy.

Do you mean people who feel strongly about having multiple wives or husbands? People who have many previous marriages? People who obsessively collect spouses? 😄

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No I am a fucking idiot. I meant obsessive monogamy.

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33 points

There’s also asexuality. Love your partner but don’t wanna fuck 'em? Get a divorce you deviant! Because apparently sex is required for a happy marriage and if you don’t have sex because you’re not interested in it, then you’re obviously a pervert or a prude who deserves to be unloved.

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Unless you’re both asexual, or are open to the sexual one fucking around, you probably should get a divorce though

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Unless you’re both asexual, or are open to the sexual one fucking around,

Yeah, but then you get back to the person in OP’s post telling people to get a divorce regardless. My point is that you can have a happy marriage and be poly and/or ace.

Edit: Also, I’d think that issue would come up long before marriage and would likely be solved by that point.

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10 points

I think there is another side to that though that the non-asexual partner is probably often not very happy.

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Ironically this is one of those things that’s easier to deal with in a poly context - your partner isn’t your one and only so if they’re ace and you’re not, you’re allowed to get those needs met elsewhere and still have a loving romantic relationship with them.

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9 points

Are you disregarding your partner’s needs here?

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4 points

One would hope that you’d solve issues like that before getting married. Whether that means an open marriage, having a partner who’s also ace, finding ways to fulfill your partners needs without having sex yourself, etc.

You’re not wrong, but I think most married couples that involve someone who’s ace would have that problem solved by the time they get to marriage.

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Yeah.

I think “love your partner, but don’t wanna fuck 'em” implies you’ve already failed in this regard.

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3 points

Why isn’t the partner doing the same in that situation?

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31 points

I have nothing against practical monogamy save for this. You must free the ones you love before they can freely choose you.

It’s why insisting on lifetime guarantees of sole-possession is the worst possible way to soothe your jealousy or fear of abandonment.

If you can’t let go of that fear long enough to put someone else’s happiness first, it doesn’t matter how many oaths, contracts or incentives you use to fortify your conquest. You will never know what real trust feels like.

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(Pre-edit: this became much longer than intended. You struck a chord in me it seems.)

You’ve articulated this so very well. It’s a lesson that took me many years to learn and comes with the prerequisite of respecting yourself and respecting your partner to such a degree that the relationship comes second for both of you. Each person’s first priority should be themselves. Both parties need to respect that to the point of accepting that staying together is not a given and is contingent on both parties being fully satisfied with the direction your lives together is heading.

The funny thing is that I’ve never felt more confident in my relationship since learning that. I used to think that’s putting the relationship second to yourself is antithetical to commitment but actually it’s the other way around. The only way to fully commit to a relationship is to make sure that maintaining it is a concious choice rather than an expectation or given.

The way my dad illustrated this lesson in my youth (and I took the advice but only recently learned the full meaning of it) is like this: life is a journey down a road with many crossroads. Should you find a partner, you walk together. If you hit a crossroad and can’t agree on a direction then thank each other for the lovely journey together but let them follow their own path. Find that partner that is going to the same destination and you’ll have found happiness in love.

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I like that analogy. Is the blessing of a traveling companion measured by miles shared? Of course not. They had and will have their own adventures apart from yours. Pretending otherwise is just immature, but demanding otherwise is selfish.

Yet many do. “Me or no one” exclusivity under “till death” contracts are considered normal. The coercive nature of these relationship parameters are rarely considered, and neither is their cost, many of which relate to consent.

This is where I usually get pushback so I’ll explain. For simplicity, consider the typical (sexual) consent scenario, where Alice gives Bob consent but withdraws it later. Can Bob retain her consent by getting her to sign a written contract? No. But what if the contract just prevented her from leaving? Again, no. But what if the contract specified an incentive she forfeits by leaving? Legal, but no. But what if the contract made him her only option without forfeiture? Again, legal, but no.

Perhaps, having signed such a contract, Alice might acquiesce, and may even be enthusiastic at times. But sadly, Bob just put a lot of effort into making it difficult for him to ever know for sure, because “to have and to hold” Alice was more important to him than her freedom and happiness.

This is why I insist on relationships that are explicitly open from the start. It’s not important to me to have multiple partners, but it is absolutely essential to me to be chosen freely. Not in exchange for anything. Not to fulfill a promise, duty, or obligation. Simply their current preference and desire. The result is I can be certain in each moment that my partners want me for me. Not my status or money or security I provide. Just me. And my life is so much better for it, because that kind of trust is precious and, apparently, quite rare.

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Thank you for posting this. I’m on something of a journey myself, and needed this advice.

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Marriage isn’t about claiming someone else for yourself. It’s about pledging yourself to another.

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