113 points

my HP version won’t let me read a book without replacing the Cyan e-ink

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26 points

No, it’s fine. The text is black. Can it display just the black?

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24 points

HP being like: … and I took that very personally

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9 points

Hahahaha! Wait till hp makes these, and charges you a subscription to display anything.

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18 points

“No fuck you, low on cyan”

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96 points

Someone would make a killing of they created an easy to use home dashboard with an eink display. Low power, 8x11, customizable with Android apps. Refreshes once a minute. Has weather and traffic and calendar in the morning, and displays photos in the afternoon.
LCDs are terrible in terms of power consumption. But a big, slow eink would be great.

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44 points

Android eink tablets already exist, have done for years. It’s expensive and doesn’t work as well as you want. The eink company owns patents that keeps everything expensive.

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See, I don’t want a tablet. Tablet implies fast refresh rates, minimal ghosting, fast processor, etc.
It’s a different purpose than a screen I can stick on a wall and only look at a few times in the morning. That lower quality on the panel and hardware should bring costs on the tech lower.
Hell, I don’t even really need 8 shades of color.
If someone can stick a low power processor on there and make it run on some rechargeable AAAs, even better.

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25 points

Just to be clear, the costs are in licensing the eink tech from the company that owns the patents. The processors in the eink tablets available today are not expensive processors.

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12 points

It’s the display that is prohibitively and arbitrarily expensive. None of the other variables matter since all of the low power / retain image advantage is solely because of that display.

And large e-ink displays will remain niche, simply because of the company’s pricing.

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41 points

“I own the only patent - I will license it for just $10/square inch.”

And that’s a short story about how eInk never got commercialized.

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11 points

I’m not so sure, I think it would go the way of smart speakers - a solution without much of a problem to solve

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5 points

You say that as though people aren’t buying the shit out of them

I agree it’s kind of a dumb product, but people buy the shit out of smart speakers. Their market size in 2022 was 10.8 billion USD and rising every year.

I could absolutely see a consumer driven home wall panel selling like crazy - I have a HA driven wall panel at my house and every guest thinks it’s the coolest thing and asks where they can get one

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What’s an ha driven panel?

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2 points

This would be great for those of us with Home Assistant or other home automation setups. Still not a huge market, but a market none the less.

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2 points

Phones kind of suck for the ‘at a glance’ function.

  • Widgets take up too much room on the home screen, so you have to swipe over to it to see it.
  • once you’re there, you’re tempted to dive in to look at emails or tweets or whatever else. There’s a whole smartphone detox market that’s out there, focusing on dumb phones and escaping attention traps.
  • Not everyone in the house (e.g., kids) should be looking at a phone regularly.
  • I don’t have my phone with me when I’m walking back and forth getting ready. A quick glance is faster than a grab, unlock, swipe, read pattern.

Smart home dashboards also seem like a perfect fit with this. A low power, regular refreshing, touch sensitive controlled? That could hang on a wall with a battery? Sounds great.

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8 points

I build a digital picture frame using an 8-color e-ink display and a pi pico.

It works great within its limitations, but the limitations are still pretty big

  • 8 colors is pretty limited, especially when it’s a specific 8 colors (not just 8 max).
  • Refresh times are slow
  • The pico memory and storage are limited
  • Due to the above, mine ran in two cycles with a reboot between to clear memory. One to pull images from my website and another to cycle through existing pictures until it needs to grab more
  • Images needed to be converted to the appropriate size+ 8-color palette and dithered etc beforehand into a format the pico can read (hence then being on my website where they were reduced to an uncompressed palletized BMP)

Obviously a commercial product could probably do better, or a better screen, but faster-refresh or higher-color tends to jump in price quickly.

Still, it was pretty cool to have a device that would not need power to persist images, and used only a little during the process of loading new ones so could be powered by battery/solar

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I’ve thought of doing something similar, the other fun part is that you could stash a big battery behind the display and run the E-ink on a super slow refresh rate since they only use power to refresh. I wish E-ink wasn’t so ridiculously expensive. This monitor would be perfect if it weren’t $1200.

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This is the one I got. It’s not terribly expensive but yeah it does have limitations in terms of colors and refresh times

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6 points

You’re on the same wavelength as me. My ideal product is an e-ink display to stick in the kitchen or some other high traffic area to display relevant family information and with touch controls to do some fairly basic things like toggle digital switches/dials or just switch to alternative dashboards. If I could find a touch-enabled e-ink display that’s a good size but not stupid expensive (keeping in mind this is absolutely a luxury item so I’m not looking to shell out any significant volume of monies on the thing), I could attach one to a Pi and make one myself.

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Sounds cool until you realize that you’d have to turn on the lights to read it at night.

If only there wAs soMe technOLogy out thEre already Doing that…

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I think a 27x40 inch movie poster size would be awesome to line the walls of a home theater. Have posters on rotation. Similarly have some posted for artwork. Basically digital picture frames but not lcd/led driven. I’m sure the quality is low now, but once color accuracy is fine tuned, would be some cool niche uses.

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1 point

I was just thinking the other day about using e-ink for a smart watch display.

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3 points

You could dig around for a used pebble watch. Apparently they still work with modern phones

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1 point

Amazfit and Fossil and othes have them, but I really miss the pebble

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1 point

Can’t you buy that from Boox?

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88 points

I spend my days in emacs and terminal emulators and I want this very badly in a laptop form factor so I can comfortably work outside.

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Yeah I’m really surprised they didn’t go with a laptop screen rather than a monitor designed to be left in a fixed place! Whoever’s first to market with a good laptop e-ink display is going to rake it in.

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7 points

I suspect that it’s simpler to make a standalone display as proof of concept. If it’s popular enough, laptops could follow. This monitor will be great for film sets & videos. No flicker!

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4 points

Framework should offer an e-ink display as a component you can drop in to their laptops.

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5 points

It’s already possible, with a remarkable 2 and a special vnc client https://github.com/matteodelabre/vnsee. Though I have not tried it yet, it looks great, but the screen is way smaller than an usual pc monitor

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I have a Onyx Boox Max, an A4 b/w e-ink device. I can’t use that as a screen, due to too low refresh rate. Writing on it with it’s pen is great, but typing on it is horrible. The slight delay breaks the usability.

I don’t know how that stacks against the remarkable 2.

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0 points

Try learning vim. If you’re typing confidently and using the commands you can use it with higher latency.

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1 point

The device looks neat, but I don’t like the “Connect costs $4.99 per month” stuff when you’ve already paid for the device. Is the device fairly locked down to force you to pay for their cloud service?

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I’ve never needed it, I have a remarkable 1 and it’s perfectly enough for my usage, I use it only as an ebook reader that can takes notes, I don’t need the fancy colors features of the new one.

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48 points

The title really grinds my gears… “New eInk display is basically like a bigger version of another eInk display”…

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34 points

E-ink technology uses some pretty fascinating chemistry to display more natural paper-like on-screen textures as opposed to regular digital Word documents and PDFs.

I have a feeling this author might just be fucking stupid.

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4 points

Wait… Is this… Like that kindle thong mayhaps? Me am the smartyballs thinkerpersen!

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2 points

That meme takes me back

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31 points

Which is a… Good thing?

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For anyone that does mostly office work/paperwork, yes.

For everyone else, not so much. The refresh on eink displays is often orders if magnitude longer than with traditional displays, so forget watching YouTube or something, on a display like this.

Almost every display in existence does 60+ Hz. This is required for light emitting displays, since humans generally see 60Hz flickers of light as solid light (consistently on), so they have to run at that frequency to produce an image that doesn’t look like it’s flickering on and off.

With eink, it’s only reflecting light, not emitting it, so update times can be and are, a lot slower. Due to the mechanism that’s bringing the relevant pigments to the surface, which isn’t fast, you’ll see these displays measured more in seconds per frame than frames per second. Partial updates of the screen can be done much faster, but full frame updates can take several seconds. Eg, adding one more character (while typing a document), is a quick update and can happen many times per second on most eink displays, changing the whole screen, which happens often in video content, takes 1+ second(s) to complete.

So for the office drones that deal with email and text files all day, this is great. For any media content including TV, movies and video games, this is utterly useless.

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Thank you for the detailed response :)

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If the refresh rate is not higher than the the Onyx Boox Max, then it’s not even good for office work - for me at least, a visible delay between key press and sign showing up is a show stopper.

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