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Me too Bernie, me too.

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The end of the day I won’t blame the young people, though. I will blame the red hat fascists who want to install an orange dictator.

Edit: Young people get a pass because at least they are passionate about something. I’m over here, dead inside, praying to a computer that things don’t get any worse then they already are.

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I blame First Past The Post voting, for keeping the people handcuffed to two legacy political parties.

Perhaps Republicans would vote less clowns into office, but they are chained to the Republican party.

Same is true for the Democrats. We don’t need to be stuck with these two parties. There can be something else.

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Right. I wish people were upset about not having ranked choice as they were the genocide in Gaza. If we changed the way we voted voting for the lesser evil wouldn’t be a thing.

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I blame my dumb ass for voting for Nader in 2000. Don’t be like me. Learn from the mistakes of others!

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The people who are to blame are the Republicans. That is where you need to direct your anger.

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Biden should step down as the nominee and ask Bernie to run.

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Bernie has my vote! Biden never will.

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If you like Bernie so much maybe listen to him?

“We can be extremely upset at the Biden administration for their policies with regard to Israel and Gaza, but the difficulty is that in the real world that you live in, you’ve got to take a look at a whole lot of things,” he said, sitting in the Health, Education, Labor and Pensions committee hearing room on Capitol Hill. “On the other hand, I would hope that most of the young people and protestors do not want to see Donald Trump, who is a racist, a sexist, a homophobe who doesn’t acknowledge the reality of climate change, become elected president of the United States.”

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Burn it all down woohoo /s

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They don’t understand that Trump is just as pro-Israel as Biden, if not even more so considering he moved the U.S. embassy to Jerusalem.

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That’s the great part about our democracy: You don’t get to vote for someone who isn’t pro-Israel. Because freedom.

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*electoral system

Because of FPTP and the Winner Take All Electoral College, there is a lot of political pressure to only have 2 parties. In a better system (proportional, ranked choice, etc) it wouldn’t break with more than two parties. In fact just reforming the electoral college to be proportional would likely allow 3 parties to exist.

If you look at history the last time there was a viable 3rd party it possibly initiated the civil war by allowing an anti slavery viewpoint to exist (which is good, but if we’d had a better voting system it would have happened earlier and reduced a lot of suffering)

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And if a frog had wings he wouldn’t bump his ass when he hopped.

We have FPTP, and we’ll have it until I’m cold and dead in the ground.

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Electoral system…

Just as I have to watch half the electorate embrace the most asinine BS possible to justify selfishness and hate… it’s not that far out to see people screaming “genocide joe!” at everyone they see, as they turn off everyone and defeat themselves at every chance.

The cool part is focusing all your effort into a camp-out such that your main message is synonymous with homelessness and you self defeat your own goals… all while you call the liberal element genocidal and basically show the world your biggest effort is to sit still while cutting off the liberal nose to spite your face.

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Purely hypothetical question for you: If you had a choice between supporting Israel or Biden winning the 2024 election which would you choose?

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Can you imagine how dumb it would be to vote for someone who isn’t though?

The only reason I think Trump isn’t pro-Palestine (Russian ally through Iran) is because the war is a good distraction from Ukraine

You have to be pro-Israel as the US but that doesn’t mean you can’t be pro-Palestinian

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Being pro-Israel and being pro-Palestine are mutually exclusive positions since Israel is genociding Palestine.

That’s like saying you can be pro Nazi and pro jew.

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Yeah Donald “Muslim ban” and “finish the job” Trump is not pro-Palestine only for reasons of distraction.

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Palestine (Russian ally through Iran)

Russia isn’t in military allience with Iran. Both Russia and Iran are neighbors sanctioned by the US, forcing them into a business partnership by exclusion.

And Iran isn’t allied with Gaza Palestinians. You’re confusing them with the Yemeni Houthis and West Bank Hezbollah. What you have is Israelis engaging in terrorist acts against both states, then conflating retaliation with cooperation.

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You have to be pro-Israel as the US but that doesn’t mean you can’t be pro-Palestinian

Like I said: Freedom. 🇺🇸🦅🍔

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Congress is bipartisan pro-Israel. This isn’t even a presidential issue.

Biden just happens to be the guy doing the pro-Israel stuff at the moment, so he’s eating the lions share of the public ire.

“You have to support the Pro-Israel guy because the other guy is pro-Israel and both party leaders are pro-Israel and the cops are trained by Israelis and Israeli businesses have strong ties with the MIC and Big Finance needs Israel to control trade through the Suez and you’re outnumbered and outgunned so quit fighting, just vote for Joe Biden” just isn’t a winning message among progressive voters this year.

Maybe try it again in 2026.

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My company buys a specific board from an Israeli company.

We have been working on an in house alternative for a few years now. Now we’re scared to actually perform the switch because of the anti-boycott laws

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Nut up and do it. I’m proud of you.

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The thing is: Biden is pro-Israel but also pro-Palestinians. He’s providing aid to Gazans and pressuring Israel to minimize civilian casualties. It’s not great, or even good, I agree - but it’s a whole lot better than Trump who would be pro-Israel and anti-Palestinians. You’d see humanitarian aid end and the US support total war instead of the (slightly) restrained version we’re seeing now.

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Biden is pro-Israel but also pro-Palestinians.

Biden’s Increasingly Contradictory Israel Policy: A former State Department official explains the Administration’s sharpening public critique of Israel’s war and simultaneous refusal to “impose a single cost or consequence.”

Right now it seems like the Biden Administration is trying to pressure Israel not to launch a military assault on Rafah and to allow in more humanitarian aid. At the same time, it has shown an unwillingness to take strong steps to punish Israel or to restrict the flow of aid or weapons to Israel if the Israelis disregard that pressure. How do you understand the strategy now?

I’d call the Biden Administration’s approach “passive-aggressive.” They are angry at Netanyahu, and were even before this. He’s presiding over the most extreme government in the history of the state of Israel. That government and the preceding dozen years of Netanyahu’s tenure are undermining the two fundamental drivers of the U.S.-Israeli relationship, which are shared values and common interests. So, it’s passive-aggressive in the sense that, six months into the war, the Administration has still been unwilling—unable—to impose a single cost or consequence that you and I, as normal human beings, would describe as real pressure.

Unable or unwilling?

Both, but I’ll get to that in a second. There were three levers the Administration could’ve pulled. They’re still available. No. 1 is to end U.S. military assistance. There’s no indication the Administration’s anywhere close to that. It just approved a shipment of two-thousand-pound bombs, and twenty F-35s. No. 2, change the U.S. voting posture at the U.N., either by introducing its own Security Council resolution, or by voting for someone else’s, that is very critical of Israel. It has not done that. No. 3, abandon the whole notion of negotiating the hostage release and simply join the chorus of those in the international community who basically say, “You need to pressure Israel to cease this military campaign.”

And I think it has not done these things

Biden is pro-Getting Relected. And he recognizes that his party is increasingly pro-Palestinian. However, his current policy appears to be a CYA strategy, intended to create the illusion of neutrality while negotiating a path that allows Israel to continue its extermination of Arab people across the region.

As this exterminationist Israeli agenda becomes more undeniable, the job of appearing neutral grows more difficult. And Biden’s decision to (tacitly) back Israel at all costs means risking friendly relations with Turkyie, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, and Egypt. However, he’s staying the course, precisely because he’s banking on a mass expulsion and genocide of Palestinians today will strengthen Israel’s regional position in the future.

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If someone gives a sandwich to me and a gun to a person actively trying to murder me, they are not “pro-me”

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An alternative explanation is that what he says and what he de facto does are two entirelly different things.

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Being pro-Palestinian would require demanding Israel stop murdering them.

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Look at what is done, not what is said.

The Nazis also proclaimed to be helping the Jews as they were putting them into Ghettos and then industrially murdering them in the Concentration Camps.

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Yeah even to expand on that - they don’t understand that everything they don’t like about Biden, they’ll like about Trump less. I mean I have real serious gripes about Biden but it is insultingly stupid to pretend that Trump would be any kind of a solution to those problems.

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It seems that many of them know that Trump is worse, but think that sticking to ideals and voting for a non-viable candidate (or not voting at all) is somehow the best course of action. Republicans count on people like that to win. Fascists don’t give a fuck how they get into power, as long as they do.

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They don’t just count on it. They actively invade spaces and spread that idea. I’m almost certain the first people saying that about Biden/Israel were right wing trolls, and people on the left actually took the bait and started spreading it themselves.

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Republicans count on people like that to win.

Republicans have lost more than one Senate seat because they ran zealous nutbag losers in safe elections and pissed off moderates.

I’m not sure why Democrats get to run pro-war Zionists and Blue Lives fascists, free from the fear that they’ll suffer the same fate.

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Yeah but the problem is we live in at least a pro-fascist state if not a fascist state already. So convincing people who realize this to vote for the guy who has been voting for fascist policies for decades (as well as some progressive ones, for those who will say I’m ignoring the “good” he’s done) and is actively supporting genocide not just in policy but in his statements and apparently beliefs is going to be pretty tough. It’s not just about voting “not Trump” anymore, people also want to vote “not Biden”.

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They know Donald will destabilize the country and accelerate a collapse. They think that will make room for China to expand.

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that sticking to ideals and voting for a non-viable candidate (or not voting at all) is somehow the best course of action.

Taking the “moral high” ground even though it would have a bad result. Sounds like what the DEMs do all the time.

“I learned it from you” -young people probably.

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Or they understand that all this apolgetics for the Dems being the lesser of two evils just results in them being the same evil, just four years later. The Dems are still running internment camps at the border. They are still building Trumps wall.

By never threatening them with actual consequences to their power, you give them a blanket check to fuck everyone over for their rich donors. And that is exactly what they did and continue to do.

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No they are not the same evil, and it insults the intelligence to pretend otherwise. And threatening the Dems with consequences by giving power to people who are even worse on those issues than them? That does the opposite of what you’re hoping - it encourages that kind of behaviour.

We got to where we are because the right has pulled the window further and further, step by step, for years - and we have to do the same. The system doesn’t just change overnight.

You have to understand that a win for Trump this year is a total win for the far right and a total loss for the left. Anyone pretending otherwise is hopelessly misguided or intentionally stumping for the fascists.

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The GOP openly courts antisemites while also supporting Israel. They make sure to have all the awful bases covered.

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They need all the Jews to return to Israel and the temple to be rebuilt so Jesus can come back. Of course, that does mean expelling all Jews from every other country Jews are in, but they leave that part out.

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Zionism fits neatly into the view that every country should be ethically homogenous.

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Antisemiticites

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I knew that sounded wrong and reading your word brought the correct one to mind. Fixed!

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And once again, as the foreign trolls that are busy courting our youth want, not one comment in this entire thread mentions that Europe is on the brink of open modernized war should Ukraine fall to vlad “Ukraine is just a stepping stone” putin.

Gaza is a genocide, but that is not the critical geopolitical stage to be paying the most attention to. Once again it is completely ignored that the heads of hamas who attacked israel on oct 7 knowing exactly what they were about to cause are friends of putin.

The Gaza genocide was provoked precisely to pull western eyes from the Ukrainian front where russia was more than underperforming to ensure their victory in a sustained war of attrition.

You want to avoid a world war? You vote for biden whether u do it proudly or do it holding ur nose the way most of the sane will.

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The Gaza genocide did not start on Oct 7, much like the Russian incursion on Unkraine did not start in Jan 2022. Both of those are tremendous blights on human rights and should be equally condemned.

Of course, voting for Biden is the only stable option as much as one may lament that it shouldn’t be.

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The Gaza genocide did not start on Oct 7, much like the Russian incursion on Unkraine did not start in Jan 2022.

This is very very true, and i didnt mean to imply otherwise. Ive been hating on the apartheid state in israel for a very very long time now, and as someone born in Poland, i need no reminders of the evil the russian state causes both at home and abroad. I highly appreciate the added clarity, i should have been more clear in the first place.

Both of those are tremendous blights on human rights and should be equally condemned.

Theyre both deserving of equal condemnation insofar as both are crimes against humanity, but the one is a much more slippery slope towards more genocide than i think many in the states realize. Russian imperial sentiments towards Poland, Lithuania, and Finland (of the very next in line) have been painfully clear to anyone paying attention to the past 100 years of history, and doubly so to anyone aware of “Foundations of Geopolitics.”

Im not trying to say that the death of one group is worse than anothers, but i am saying that one conflict is a direct precursor to (for the modern age) unprecedented levels of death and destruction.

I am also willing to elaborate that sucking apartheid israels proverbial dick is something the US has been doing since before most of us were born, and that bidens stance on israel is less than par for the course in that hes the first head of state to outright say things like, “maybe israel should hold new elections bc of how fucked up their treatment of Palestinians is.” Thats less than anyone wants or especially needs, but it does show represent more wavering from democratic leadership than one would expect. It also is further proof that the lemmy trolls telling u that the dems are getting more rightwing are full of it. We’re on the cusp of the reins being passed on from the old generation onto the new. I agree biden shouldnt be the choice in a sane world, but a sane world it is not, and we can hope for far more with the boomers coming out of power so long as our democracy isnt just pissed the fuck away.

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Only stable option is supporting genocide? Do you hear how you are evil?

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If what you say is correct, then it would seem that the onus is on Israel to stop the genocide in order to save its European benefactors.

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The onus to sane action is on everyone. Israel is in the wrong no matter which way u cut the pie. It does not mean that ignoring whats happening north of israel is validated bc the apartheid state is acting the way it always has.

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Or at least Biden to reverse course and admit supporting Israel isn’t worth the possibility of losing the election.

Liberals and moderates love to tell us about the choice in front of us between Biden and Trump. But they ignore the choice in front of them which is supporting Israel or losing the election.

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Yeah, October 7th had nothing to do with the war that Israel was performing on Gaza before that. It wasn’t all about Ukraine.

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Nobody said that. Absolutist BS like this leads to dogma.

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What, you mean the part of Europe with nuclear weapons? … Sigh.

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He absolutely is more so. Also, young people have more power to influence Biden because they are part of his coalition. Of course, using this power is tricky because you need to pressure and criticize Biden without actually making him lose. So far I support the pressure campaign but I hope as the election gets closer people will start to realize what an epic disaster Trump term two would be.

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He said he would level Palestine.

Not sure what these youngins are reading but he isn’t coy about it.

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Biden said this? When?

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Are young people really a part of Bidens coalition? Bidens policies and rhetoric have consistantly pushed young people away. The ridiculous speech he gave just a few minutes ago maligning student protestors is emblematic of this.

And it seems like young people have got the message. The last poll I saw had 18-24yr olds voting for Trump at +8%

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Historically they have been. I think Biden seems out of touch but I’m not sure I agree with this sentiment overall. That poll sounds dubious but I mean coalitions can change certainly. Trump seems even further from the views I see most young people espousing so I’m not sure why they would move to him but maybe it’s protest vote kind of situation.

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Young people are part of the coalition but they’ve never proven to be a reliable part. When the 18-25s vote like the older generations then campaigns will start to take their needs more seriously.

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“because you need to pressure and criticize Biden without actually making him lose”

“We need to be toothless about our criticism of Biden” FTFY

The threat of making your candidate lose is the only power you have to shift them.

Next time you’re negotiating for a car, see how much the seller budges after you preceed negotiations with “Now, I am fully committed and happy paying sticker price, but how much can you lower the price?”

Edit: at least have the intellectual honesty to say out loud that Biden could do anything, and you’d still vote for him

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The threat of making your candidate lose is the only power you have to shift them.

I mean this is also not really a threat, though. I think realistically biden and trump are both closer to each other than either of them are to this like, eclectic amalgamation of positions that is the “youth vote”. Him not winning isn’t like, still a victory, in that circumstance, but it’s not like, a loss to them in the same way that it would be if they actually had to do all the stuff the “youth vote” wanted. Basically I’m just saying that they, the DNC broadly I suppose, would rather give as little as they absolutely can, while still maintaining a delicate balance of power where they’re the only ones that can maintain the status quo rather than a backslide into total fascism. Going with all the “youth vote” positions, to them, would be as big if not a bigger loss than a slide into total fascism.

Which is to say, I think they’re willing to lose as long as it means they don’t have to really do anything major.

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I’m fully committed to lesser evil voting since it’s the only viable electoral strategy. So as long as Biden is better than Trump I would vote for him. I have a hard time understanding why people don’t see that this is the most rational way to vote. If you don’t like it, and I don’t either, then you need to pursue strategies to change it, particularly outside the electoral system. Since these strategies do not conflict with voting I think it’s rational to pursue both actions.

And no I don’t think we need to be toothless. But a lot of people don’t seem to be smart enough to walk the line of threatening to withhold support without actually doing so. I’m not going to go right up to Biden and tell him that’s what I’m doing. He doesn’t know what my strategy is, so it can still be effective.

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Be careful what you wish for.

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I fucking hate, and from the bottom of my heart, how Biden is funding the genocide in Palestine, but I’m still going to vote for him this time, because we just can’t have a person like Trump in the white house, period. I still can’t figure out how he got in the first time. I’d never let my 10 year old lead a country, yet we let Trump do it for four fucking years. I, too, am sick of this “the lesser of two evils” bullshit, but this time I’m giving it a pass because of Trump. We already have a crumbling country and can’t afford another four years of this dude.

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I don’t understand why people point out that Biden is “funding the genocide in Palestine” and completely ignore and fail to mention that trump would do the exact same thing.

He has all but said he would cut Israel loose to do whatever they needed to finish the job.

The use of Israeli aggression is not a point of comparison when viewing the differences between trump and Biden.

Edit: and I apologize for the late edit - FWIW Biden has become critical of Israeli actions and offered some aid to Palestinians (Yeah, I absolutely agree it isn’t enough) while trump would prefer to wash his hands of the whole Palestine thing. That is a notable difference.

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No one denies that trump will fund it. That’s not the point, but I get what you mean.

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It isn’t the potential for denial that initiated my reply, it’s the fact that people declare US support of Israel is a strike against Biden when comparing Biden to trump as a reason to consider not voting for Biden. This is a false comparison and it is the point I am making.

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I’ve argued with multiple people on here who said Trump would be better for Palestinians than Biden is.

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No one denies that trump will fund it

And? The problem is that these people won’t really address the fact that Trump would be worse than Biden

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simply cannot actively support a genocidal party because it runs fundementally against their core values.

So by not voting they default to the fascist one. Good for them, at least they (didn’t) vote for the least worst option.

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I don’t understand why people point out that Biden is “funding the genocide in Palestine” and completely ignore and fail to mention that trump would do the exact same thing.

And hence why I won’t vote for Trump either. It’s not that hard to understand.

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I think Joe Biden is maybe the best president of my lifetime, and I’m going to vote for him with my head held high even though I live in a red state where it doesn’t matter at all. I wish things were simpler in the Levant, but I appreciate that Joe Biden is between a rock and a hard place with Israel. It’s not like he can just take Bibi out. He’s not Boeing. That said, even if I laid the entire genocide at Biden’s feet (which, while he’s not blameless, is absolutely not appropriate), he would still be head and shoulders an improvement over Donald Trump.

For that matter, I’d absolutely let my 12 year old run this country before I’d let Trump have a second term. My kid is brilliant, and more importantly, unlike Trump he listens to advice, can take no for an answer, and gives a shit about having a functional democracy four years from now.

A second Trump term is an existential threat to the nation. Hold your nose, hold your neighbor’s nose if you have to, but every able-bodied patriot owes it to their descendants and their patriotic ancestors to prevent a second Trump term.

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Biden went around congress to ship weapons to Israel. Painting him as helpless here is pure misinformation.

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It’s not like he can just take Bibi out. He’s not Boeing.

Well, he is the President of the United States. We may have to pretend Bibi is a socialist though.

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Old america vs Israeli desert trooper guy? That’s going to be an interesting one

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Put a Columbia University T-shirt on him!

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Your ten-year-old is more mature than Trump.

Not a joke.

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Knowing my son? He absolutely is way more mature than Trump.

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Ten year old?! Thats a high bar for most republicans these days. They want knee jerk and whining. Thats something most 10 year olds are already figuring out doesnt get them what they want.

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That’s basically my point. That, and how Trump brags that he hasn’t matured past the age of six.

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I’m 100% sure trump would have taken charge over there because it was taking too long.

Genocide? Hold my beer.

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I still can’t figure out how he got in the first time.

Electoral College, should not exist.

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I still can’t figure out how he got in the first time.

I’d point out that the first step in changing somebody’s mind on a topic is always to figure out why they believe and behave as they do.

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Certain important people need to keep selling spyware, drugs, guns and war to keep themselves and their associates employed. As for whether the funds or the actual work (conflict) available is sustainable is for everyone including the accountants to consider.

The other problem is that war doesn’t really die, we just displace where we choose to fight, and how, if we imagine physical and cyber world peace for a moment, for the USA or China to reduce its military capacity by one third, or one tenth, we would see absolute chaos, thousands unemployed, the losses in maintenance and equipment, military supplies, medical, etc, nobody would win.

Any complex society where financial and other systems operate needs a minimum degree of social enforcement to maintain. Whether that can change like a function or is something that depends on a country’s GDP is another issue.

Just consider that humanity would either need lots of free time, energy and money or it would literally need to feel incredibly threatened by something on earth, which we all could not fight to control in order to actually fund going to space or even the moon, and I doubt a triple whammy of pandemic, food shortage or severe draught and floods could do it, it happened in the Bible and people literally just found more dumb reasons to do more dumb things, and no lowering mens testosterone or telling guys to shave more often wouldn’t do shit either. If people don’t find reasons to explore or learn, they find reasons to fight/play fight, it’s pretty normal, and if anyone remembers their childhood, usually it’s pretty much the same across generations.

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Biden is not funding Israel. The United States government is. Even if he wanted to stop the aid (he doesn’t), he doesn’t have the power to just ignore laws passed by Congress. Trump did that with Ukraine and got impeached for it.

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I mean, he fundamentally does have the power to veto laws. There are potentially negative political consequences in doing so, but he certainly has that power.

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Vetoing a bill with well over 2/3 support is pointless because it will just be overridden.

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“I still can’t figure out how he got in the first time”

Easy. He was propped up by democrats, namely Hillary Clinton.

If we reach a point 40 years from now when your choice is between a dem supporting 5 genocides and a republican supporting 10 genocides, are you still going to be militantly democrat and lash out at leftists who are sick of the whole thing?

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woohoo. 10 genocides but such a moral victory.

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In this hypothetical we wouldn’t have the option to vote 40 years from now because dim bulbs allowed an insurrectionist to be elected. Donald will also accelerate climate fuckery so anyway we’ll be too busy squabbling over what meager food comes out of the remaining arable regions.

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Purely hypothetical question for you: Would you rather continue supporting Israel or see Biden win the 2024 election?

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Nope. I’ve stated this in multiple posts on other platforms, this is my last time going with this “lesser of two evils” bullshit. Because at some point, we HAVE to believe that it is intentional. I mean, what happened to “fool me once…”?

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You think you will still be able to vote in 40 years if Donald “dictator for a day” Trump gets elected this time?

Oh my sweet summer child. Your vote will be as meaningful as the ones in Russia.

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So if a Trump presidency means the end of democracy in America, why hasn’t Trump been outlawed?

Why is Biden focusing on banning TikTok instead of truth social? Why weren’t the courts getting stacked 2 years ago? Why are the democrats’ obsession with “precedent” and “civility” taking more primacy than outlawing a candidate who, by their own admission, would mean the end of democracy?

By propping up Trump, the democrats have effortlessly oriented you such that you now give blind support to a genocidal regime. You’ve given the democrats a blank check. The democrats would rather lose to Trump and usher in fascism than shift left in the slightest way (halting genocide).

Also, epic reddit catchphrase my good sir. I tip my hat you, for you are a gentleman and a scholar.

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When I was young my parents introduced me to some old school Communists; folks who’d fought in the Spanish Civil War and been blacklisted in the 1950s.

One of the stories they told was that back in 1968 the oldtimers were warning people to vote for Hubert Humphrey because they knew how bad Nixon would be, Too many young folks then thought ‘both sides are the same.’

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I don’t know much about him, but reading that he lost the young people vote for supporting the Vietnam War is such a good parallel for today.

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Damn, it sounds like he shouldn’t have supported that war. If only people had warned him about it.

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Here’s a cool tidbit that’s probably gonna end up in the history books.

When asked if the protests have made him reconsider his policies in the region, Biden said “no.”

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/biden-speaks-college-protests-israel-gaza-war/story?id=109870179

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LBJ realized he’d made a giant mistake and hoped Humphrey could end the War. Nixon ran as a ‘peace’ candidate and made things much worse.

Trump’s people would nuke the entire Middle East hoping to bring about the Rapture.

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At what point does Biden realize he’s made a giant mistake? You’re lecturing us for not paying attention to history. Is Biden?

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jesus, well this is cementing my choice to move to a deep blue state to get away from people politicizing my existence.

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Assuming you’re in the LGBT spectrum … sorry to say even there you might not be safe if Trump gets a second term. Things have softened for the LGB so those folks might be okay, but trans folks … I’d be worried.

It also weakens purple states and national power when blue voters move out of purple states… Personally, I’d highly encourage folks moving to purple states to turn them more blue.

Michigan or Pennsylvania might be a good choice. I keep holding out for Ohio, but we need to give the gerrymandering issues (hopefully we finally will this year).

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The communist party of America consistently votes democrat and doesn’t run a candidate. Same with the American Nazi party and republicans.

My attitude is simple, deal with the problems you can impact. The 2024 elections will not result in a loss of support for Israel. A fascist wants to run a coup in America. That’s on the table, he’s running for president. That’s a problem we can deal with.

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There’s a line from the last season of ‘The West Wing’ that I always think of.

It’s election Day and the GOP and Dem campaign managers run into each other in the hotel bar. One turns to the other and tells this story.

"Got into the cab at the airport and started chatting with the cab driver. He’s a really smart guy and we’re having a great chat. Just before I get out I ask him who he’s voting for today.

"He shakes his head. Damn, he tells me, I forgot it was election Day.’

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Yepppp, I’ve had to tell so many people. I think it’s one of the benefits I got from being raised by a dyed in the wool democrat. We’d argue over a lot as I was pretty radical even as a teenager, but she taught me the value of voting and participating in the democratic process. And arguing with her taught me the value of convincing everyday folks of your position.

I hate to tell the demsocs that we probably won’t elect away the capital holding class, I’d love it if we could, but we won’t. But we sure as shit can fail to vote to keep our worker protections and environmental protections. And we can vote to get a better situation, it just won’t be a revolution all on its own.

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We watched Donald do worse than Watergate on live news broadcasts.

Hmm, what to do? Better throw my ballot in the trash, because I am against genocide. If anything gets worse under this openly racist putsch planner screeching about dictatorship and absolute immunity, well, there was no way to have seen that coming, right?

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I mean I dunno maybe they shouldn’t have ran a guy named hubert humphrey, sounds like the name you’d give to a fictional whale in a children’s novel hoo lee

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Hi. I’m not American. But we all understand Trump’s threats. Or the inherent threat he poses. I think I speak for the world.

I’m more worried about a system that let someone like that get this far!

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I swear I remember my social studies teacher saying one reason for the electoral college is to prevent someone like Trump. The founding fathers didn’t want to trust the popular vote in case the masses got duped. With the polarization of the parties there’s little chance of voting for the other person happening. There are some state laws that force them to vote for their candidate but I’m not sure how many states have the faithless electors clause.

Of course we got Trump because of the electoral college he lost the popular vote.

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I have serious concerns about the electoral college. With this upcoming election being the way it is… it’s really hard to say which they’ll vote. It’s really demoralizing to know that even if Biden wins the popular vote they can just elect trump anyway.

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Yeah I have no doubt that was the original idea. But now it just filters out all but 2 candidates that are paid for by big business and other outside investors. All of them foaming at the mouth to get whatever law makes them another billion eradicated or passed.

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It always amazes me that, in more than just America, so many people are convinced by people like Trump.

There might not be the one perfect system but it should be allowed to modernize some flaws to prevent exactly this and allow more parties to exist.

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More parties unfortunately does not fix the problem, as you can see by the rise of fascists in nearly all democracies worldwide.

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Indeed part of the reason the current Israeli government is so radically right is that Netanyahu kept having to find more desperate and less morally-centered parties to make a coalition government with.

Still, I’m happier living in a country with a dozen parties than on with only two…

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3 points

Definitely a lot of biases but I’ve never met anyone outside the US that even remotely likes Trump. I think the world really sees your presidency as a total joke. But I mean Bush Jr… twice.

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7 points

Speaking as an American: Our system lets people take the office despite not winning the popular vote. That’s just straight-up systemic corruption.

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I’ve always said Trump’s not the hero we need but the villain we deserve. We did this to ourselves, with citizens united, 24 hr “news”, straight up stupidity, and a just really strange sort of egotrip. Conversely my boy Bernie is the hero we needed, for the same reasons.

As to that egotrip. I don’t think losing the Soviet Union was good for us. We need someone to lean into. Those goat spooning terrorist assholes just didn’t cut it adversary wise. China is too foreign to make a truly good enemy. Now we’re just vs. ourselves with predictable outcomes. If only there were a better way.

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Conversely my boy Bernie WAS the hero we needed

fixed it for you

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