As “funny” as this might be, if you don’t fucking vote Biden you’re likely voting for a huge world wide change off a cliff. If Trump wins, then your precious Gaza will be wiped out or whatever similar words he used. And that is just the start. His claims, he wants to be a dictator, the 2025 document basically wishes the US to become Gilead, and lots more fun stuff.
Seriously, maybe this might be slightly panicky, but these are things that are in all seriousness claimed by the Republican party and Trump. That is what you will be voting for if you don’t vote Biden , so how about you shut the . up for now about this, at least until after the elections?
On a side note, I can guarantee you that these groups end up receiving funding from Russia and whatnot. Not that they do that willingly or knowingly, but with Russia continuously meddling in US politics, you can rest assured that Putin won’t sit by while this is happening, he needs his useful idiot in US power.
You know who could very quickly win those voters back and make sure he wins in a landslide? Joe Biden. And you know what is all that he has to do for it? Stop sending weapons and money to Israel. This is already what the US laws mandate by the way. So all he has to do is uphold US laws he is currently breaking
Bonus points for recognizing Palestine internationally and getting Israeli war criminals in front of the ICC.
Why are you blaming the victims of Bidens politics instead of Biden, who has all the power to change these things right now?
This lime of thinking is all well and good. We should be holding Biden accountable for what tragedies we endorse on the world stage.
But the answer is not enabling a much worse monster to take his place. Especially considering the monster in question has a unilaterally worse stance on almost everything we are currently upset with Biden about.
It’s not as black and white as justification of not voting because “Biden could win you/them back”. We are on a sinking ship, and even though Biden could be doing more to patch it up, Trump is actively advocating for a bigger hole.
if you don’t fucking vote Biden
your precious Gaza
so how about you shut the . up for now about this, at least until after the elections?
I can guarantee you that these groups end up receiving funding from Russia and whatnot
You can fuck ALL the way off with that bullshit. Libs like this are going to guarantee low turnout if they keep callously screaming shit like this to people who feel strongly about not being party to butchering children.
Instead of threatening and blaming voters you should be threatening and blaming the administration for alienating and disenfranchising millions of voters who would otherwise vote for him.
Yeah, and all of it is pretty on point, like it or not.
Go vote trump, or that brain worm guy, or don’t vote at all. Trump will then win and when he’s been in for a year, let’s talk again and see how well your argument held up.
I’d love to do anything else than what I’m doing now but stakes are rather high, not only for Palestinians, not only for Americans.
people who feel strongly about not being party to butchering children
You think Trump taking the white house is going to change that? The only difference enabling republicans is going to make is how much things are going to get worse.
Conservative voters aren’t bound by the same morals. They don’t abstain because their leaders are causing suffering.
No, which is why it’s incredible to me that Biden would risk it by his hardline endorsement of Israeli war crimes in gaza.
Only an idiot would abstain or vote for Trump all because of this issue. Biden is a shit president, but he’s worlds better than Trump has been, or could ever be.
This said, I agree that OP can fuck off with some of that language. The protests need to call Biden out. Bonus points for calling both candidates out, though. They’ve both chosen the wrong side of this.
If you don’t do what I want to improve something I care about, I will bring about a worse outcome for the thing I care about.
Logic.
“I” won’t be bringing any such worse outcome, Biden will be bringing it about himself by losing.
Criticism of Biden is not endorsement of trump. The people protesting are likely progressives who hate trump.
Thank you.
When he’s in, criticize all you want but right now bigger issues and such
I have sent him a few letters already, and will not plan to stop. I have also told Obama the ways I was disappointed in him.
I agree that everyone should vote Biden in November, but no… this can’t wait until then. Biden needs to address this, and he’s absolutely earning the nickname we see here by failing to do so.
He didn’t start this mess, and we probably can’t abandon Israel as an ally for a myriad of tactical and political reasons… But we can and should address the weapons being sent over regularly.
I agree it can’t wait, but it will have to. You forget that Biden amhas more things to take into account than just our opinions on it, right as we may be. If he kicks the Israeli government he might disenfranchise the Jewish community who then may decide not to vote for him, then Trump it is and bye bye Palestinians. It must suck to be in his place.
Anyway, I would not immediately assume that Biden is loving this genocide, he likely has many things to consider
your precious Gaza
Disgusting
The United States is funding and arming a genocide against the Gazans. And you diminish this abomination.
We Americans deserve what we get
Seriously, these are the people I’m supposed to have solidarity with? They treat dogs better than they treat Palestinians. Fuck all of that.
We Americans deserve what we get
Disgusting
Russia is funding and arming a fascist movement against the Americans. And you diminish this abimination. /s
Man, it’s so easy to make someone sound bad when you purposefully misrepresent what they said. You didn’t actually engage with them. You only tried to make them sound evil, even though they’re advocating for protecting Palestinians as much as we possibly can. Please stop this garbage.
Please read the comment and explain how the person was “advocating for protecting Palestinians as much as we possibly can.”
To me it sounds like they don’t care about them at all, and see them as nothing more than an inconvenience in getting Biden reelected. Which is the mainstream Dem position
Comment is reposted below for your convenience:
"As “funny” as this might be, if you don’t fucking vote Biden you’re likely voting for a huge world wide change off a cliff. If Trump wins, then your precious Gaza will be wiped out or whatever similar words he used. And that is just the start. His claims, he wants to be a dictator, the 2025 document basically wishes the US to become Gilead, and lots more fun stuff.
Seriously, maybe this might be slightly panicky, but these are things that are in all seriousness claimed by the Republican party and Trump. That is what you will be voting for if you don’t vote Biden , so how about you shut the . up for now about this, at least until after the elections?
On a side note, I can guarantee you that these groups end up receiving funding from Russia and whatnot. Not that they do that willingly or knowingly, but with Russia continuously meddling in US politics, you can rest assured that Putin won’t sit by while this is happening, he needs his useful idiot in US power."
When the world catches fire we will douse it with gasoline hoping it puts it out
What about Atrocity Trump? They point at Biden, but never the disaster trump would ensure.
Biden is the one supporting slaughter right now, and Biden is the one with power to stop it.
What would protesting Trump do?
Trump tells Israel to “finish the job” in gaza,
https://apnews.com/article/trump-israel-gaza-netanyahu-biden-ba17bedaf2f1b5f2ea220828d0fba73b
You should try knowing what you’re talking about some time
Read my comment very carefully. Where did I say “Trump would do less harm?” Exactly nowhere.
Protesting Trump for what he will probably do if he makes it to office rather than the sitting president actively supporting genocide is hilariously ineffective.
You should try knowing what you’re talking about some time
Honestly? It would keep him hopefully from having a close enough election to contest it, game it, and potentially evade punishment for the crimes he’s actually on trial RIGHT NOW for committing. Then there is precedent for punishing a president and guess who can be next?
Biden does not sit on a button that says “lower gas prices” or “defund Israel” or “hold trump accountable” or any of a whole variety of things in the first place. Can he do more? Sure. Would I trash him because everybody has to do the exact right thing with the exact right issue every time or I’m going to take my ball and go home to let the other guy win and escape punishment for the first time ever? Fuck. No.
Get precedent for punishment, then punish them all.
The US by its own law must not send weapons to war criminals and actors preventing US humanitarian efforts Israel is doing both. All Biden has to do is uphold US law. Why are you letting him get away with the same shit that Trump did?
Ensure he doesn’t get into office and push Israel harder to annihilate every Gazan.
Israel is already absolutely blasting every man, woman, and child in Gaza, with no sign of stopping. Could Trump be worse? Sure. Is giving Biden a pass and falling in line with his genocide going to make things better? Absolutely the fuck not.
You know who’s currently president and is currently sending weapons to Israel right?
That’s completely unrelated. Biden is the current president, and he must answer for his decisions.
If Biden is concerned he’ll loose to Trump over this, THEN STOP FEEDING THE GENOCIDE. It’s that simple.
Do you know who’s currently sending weapons to Israel?
Hint: it’s not Biden.
How is that relevant to this? Are people not allowed to protest now because “other guy would be worse”? That’s an actual authoritarian tactic.
This isn’t saying “Trump would be better”. This is saying “Biden supporting a genocide is unacceptable”.
It’s very counterproductive given the two party system, yes. Especially when you consider Congress is restricting a lot of what he can do, he does not have the power to just cut off any foreign power he wants
Our well-meaning but powerless leader, their iron-handed despotic dictator, etc etc etc
I personally fully agree with the image created by the protestors AND plan on voting for Biden.
Not quite. I will criticize him ruthlessly while in the same breath acknowledging that he is the best realistic option we have and stating others should also vote for him. I know the masses are dumb and easily swayed, but staying silent isn’t something I am morally OK with. What I am doing is the compromise I have made with myself that best takes all of my personal beliefs and ethics into account.
“You should vote for a person enabling genocide because the other candidate hypothetically would have done worse in an alternate reality, maybe.” Real high iq take there.
Whataboutism is an appeal to hypocrisy. We are facing a general election, talking about the opposing candidate is necessary.
Young people think this election is theirs to lose.
Say hello to your ronald regan moment. Say hello to your nixon moment. Say hello to your george bush moment. Say hello to your trump moment.
That’s what will haunt you until you die in a shittier world than what you started in.
And when you wonder why progress is never possible you can think back to it.
Progress isn’t possible in the US because Dems kept getting away with not being as bad as Reps instead of actually having to be better. As the result the Dems are getting worse and worse and worse and the Reps are getting even more insane. Biden is still running internment camps at the borders. Biden is still building Trumps wall. Biden is still running Guantanamo.
All you get by voting the “lesser” of two evils is double the evil next time.
But when the Dems actually risk losing over their shit, they will be inclined to change it. And if they don’t change it, that means that they rather want to Trump to win the election than they want to end a fucking genocide. You are gaslighting yourself instead of holding the responsible people accountable.
Progress isn’t possible because people who want progress refuse to unite under a concerted effort to make it happen. Biden was able to enact a lot of progressive policies. Hes not perfect, no one is, but you can see the progressive wing of the party have a seat at the table in the Biden government.
Despite all that there are some progressives who want to sabotage everything they worked for.
And who the fuck cares what the neolibs want. They are another obstacle that need to be done away with.
Progress isn’t possible because people who want progress refuse to unite under a concerted effort to make it happen.
I agree with most of what you say about Biden (he’s been more progressive than his Democratic predecessors, though that’s a pretty low bar), but this statement just isn’t true. Progressives showed up in 2020 to elect Biden, even though the DNC screwed over Bernie in the primaries. Despite what people believe, the youth vote was nearly as high for Hillary as it was for Obama, and more moderates went to Trump than Clinton. Progressives of course showed up Obama, since he ran a progressive campaign, but he governed in the center (his foreign and security policy was just right-wing).
The problem isn’t that the people who want progress don’t unite under a single banner. The progressives are always forced to unite under the Democrats’ centrist banner, and then those same centrist block the progress. Take Biden’s infrastructure plan; Manchin and Sinema made sure that all of the most progressive elements were stripped out of that plan. Progressives (like members of the squad) refused to vote for it without those provisions, but they were browbeaten by the centrist Dems who promised that those provisions would be passed soon in separate legislation. The progressives relented and that separate legislation was quickly abandoned.
The progressives always unite with the centrists, they rarely get anything to show for it, and they are constantly blamed for the centrists’ loses. If this is the election where the progressives finally stop showing up for the centrists (and don’t get me wrong, Trump is openly planning a fascist coup, so I pray to God it isn’t), the blame should be on the centrists for 3 nearly decades of broken promises to progressives, not progressives who, “refuse to unite.”
Well people could unite behind an actually progressive party. And that would give them the momentum to surpass the Dems and kick them out of the two party system. You are again gaslighting yourself to go back to your abusive spouse, saying it is better to have some partner, even if the beats and betrays you and has repeatedly shown to not get better except for some small tokens he tosses towards you.
The Dems are deeply entrenched in being a far right neoliberal party. They could have given Bernie a chance, they could have worked to build up new talent after 2016 that is not the face of American corpocracy. Instead they chose the guy that is representing all of this to the maximum. Trump went on an anti establishment claim. What did the Dems but against him? Maximum establishment with CLinton and now Biden. And oh surprise it is not working well.
Again it is the DNC that want Trump over wanting to stop a genocide. It is the DNC that want Trump over providing universal healthcare. It is the DNC that want Trump over fully reforming student loans. It is the DNC that want Trump over not building the Trump wall, over not putting small children in internment camps at the border, from where thousands disappear into child trafficking and over not closing fucking Guantanamo Bay, like Obama promised in 2007-2015.
you’re not the only voter, dipshit. they have to cater to a large swathe of opinions and demographics. i know you surround yourself with little parrots until you think your voice is a chorus, but it’s not. BE REALISTIC, CHILDREN.
So you are saying the majority of americans are in support of Israels genocide? Then why are the opinion polls show the literal opposite? Especially among people who tend to be Dem voters?
Why are you shilling for a genocide, instead of helping the Dems get more votes by doing what the majority of the American people want?
