I hate to go as cliche as “surprising absolutely no one,” but really, this is not a surprise.

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A study analyzing Apple, Microsoft, and SpaceX suggests that return to office (RTO) mandates can lead to a higher rate of employees, especially senior-level ones, leaving the company, often to work at competitors.

In this paper, we provide causal evidence that RTO mandates at three large tech companies—Microsoft, SpaceX, and Apple—had a negative effect on the tenure and seniority of their respective workforce.

In particular, we find the strongest negative effects at the top of the respective distributions, implying a more pronounced exodus of relatively senior personnel.

Apple representative Josh Rosenstock told The Washington Post that the report drew “inaccurate conclusions” and “does not reflect the realities of our business."

Yet some companies have struggled to make employees who have spent months successfully doing their jobs at home eager to return to the office.

Dell also started tracking VPN usage this week and has told workers who work remotely full time that they can’t get a promotion.


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Lol. Returning to office when you absolutely don’t need to is the dumbest shit I’ve ever fucking seen. I can do my job 100% from home, why would want to send me back to that shithole?

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I’m so glad I work for the company I work for. They sold 90% of their buildings. We are never going back to office ever again.

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My company has a mandate to sell 50% of our buildings. We also have a mandate to return to office. They’re having people sit on the floors with their laptops because there is not enough space.

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Ultimately, these mandates are because executives don’t work for the same reason normal people do. Most people work to support themselves. But a single year working at an exec at a major company will be enough to let you retire very comfortably, never working another day in your life. Once you have ten million in the bank, you’re not really working for money anymore.

Instead, you’re working for prestige and power. Execs and high-level managers work for a few reasons. Some work because they want to have power over people. They get a thrill out of having complete authority over other human beings. And sociopathic need to control others is an itch that simply can’t be scratched by working remote. Others like to mandate in-office because they’re professional shmoozers. They do very little real work. Instead, they just go from meeting to meeting, spend afternoons golfing on the company dime, etc. The company is basically just their own personal social club. Others work because they have a savior complex. They think they’re God’s gift to mankind, and they need the sycophantic praise that can only come by forcing people to work in person. Finally, some are simply sexual predators. For some, the primary benefit of coming into work is the ability to coerce sex out of their underlings. And it’s hard to sexually assault an employee who is working hundreds of miles away.

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And others are just pure assholes

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Of course senior talent left, that was the point. It was a deliberate move to reduce headcount due to economic headwinds and over hiring. I was one of the people that left for this reason.

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Yeah, they don’t care that senior talent left because that was the whole point.

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Yeah but they’re called talent for a reason. The senior talent are generally better than the juniors at what they do.

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Until they make the wrong call and it bites them on the ass.

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Senior talent tends to be “T people”, while juniors tend to be “I people”. Removing that T scaffolding, is how corporations end up like Boeing or the Titan.

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I’ve seen this before in the 90s. The companies that forced out the best, highest paid staff always suffered.

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In my grandpa’s thick Jamaican accent: “you fucker, you!”

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Your grandpa is working remote?

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😂

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