Can we all please admit they’re committing war crimes now?
Anyone who isn’t admitting it yet isn’t going to start doing so because of evidence.
Haven’t they been burning people down with white phosphorus for decades? They aren’t gonna start admitting it now.
What we should be pleading for is a mandated reassessment by the State Department now that it’s clear they suppressed relevant information on the previous report.
I think any citizen who is paying attention knows Israel is committing war crimes. We need intelligence to confirm what we, the UN, the ICC, and the ICJ all see so that the support can end.
You would be surprised even on Lenny Lemmy how many deny Israel’s crimes.
edit: Stupid autocorrect.
I usually assume those are trolls. Hell, I’ll argue against comments that paint all Israelis with one brush, or point out legitimate reasons Biden can’t just do what he wants, but there’s simply no denying or defending the atrocities committed by Israel.
Yep. I don’t buy that Lemmy is leftwing, it might have some leftwing users but I still see victim blaming shit here, war crime denials and I’m fucking done with the “enabling trump” bs. This fucking place is no better than Reddit despite how holier than thou some users are.
This one actually gets really technical. It’s legal if you don’t use shells meant to disperse into shrapnel, and you use it for purely military purposes like smoking out enemy positions or screening the advance of ground forces.
But Israel is totally violating both of those things and has been for decades.
There are 11,195,792 reasons they won’t admit Israel is committing war crimes
Do you know where that graphic comes from? The data on opensecrets.org indicates that Biden has received $5,688,069 between 1990 and 2024.
I’m not disagreeing that this is a problem. This is undoubtedly a route through which foreign money is making it into US politics and Biden is one of the biggest recipients of Pro-Israel funds. It just isn’t as much money as indicated by the graphic. It is $5,688,069 spread over 34 years but loaded heavily to more recent years.
Biden donations from Pro-Israel sources by election cycle:
- 2023-2024: $1,459,405
- 2021-2022: Unsure - Not in top 20 and can’t find full dataset
- 2019-2020: $3,753,304
All other election cycles, Biden doesn’t appear in the top 20. Simple math indicates that, outside of 2019, 2020, 2023, and 2024, Biden received an additional $475,360 over the rest of his career.
I don’t like to see that Biden received $3,753,304 in the 2019-2020 campaign cycle. That is way too much foreign influence in my opinion, even if it technically came from American organizations. That said, Biden spent $1,614,843,740 in 2019-2020 meaning that only 0.23% of that was from Pro-Israel groups.
It’s messed up, but using white phosphorus isn’t banned under international law.
The usage of white phosphorus is restricted under international humanitarian law. Although there can be lawful uses, it must never be fired at, or in close proximity to, a populated civilian area or civilian infrastructure, due to the high likelihood that the fires and smoke it causes spread. Such attacks, which fail to distinguish between civilians and civilian objects and fighters and military objectives, are indiscriminate and thus prohibited.
The Hamas human shields thing is a lie propagated by Israel. Hamas operate in Gaza, an extremely densely populated area, and Israel’s blockade turns it into an open air prison. Hamas operating near civilians is necessary because there is nowhere they can go that isn’t full of civilians. There’s little evidence to suggest that Hamas intentionally puts civilians in more danger than they would otherwise be, they just have no choice.
I hate that I ever even bought that line. No shit they operate out of mosques and shit. Where the hell else would they operate out of in such a limited region.
That’s like saying I had no choice but to beat my wife at home because if I did it in public I’d get arrested.
No where in the UN charter, Geneva convention or any legal precident does it say war crimes are acceptable if you don’t have a choice, or its ok if you will be attacked by not breaching the convention. There is a damn good reason we keep those places protected and we are looking at the suffering losing them causes.
Also worth noting, Gaza is one of the most densely populated areas in the world.
One side is committing genocide and the other is defending their home, but sure buddy, go on about how both sides are the same. I’m sure you would have supported the Nazis too, because after all remember the Warsaw ghetto uprising?
I hope i get this across without getting pedantic responses.
So why is Hamas allowed to be excused for using human shields because of the population density where there is no choice, but civilians being killed by Israeli attack are completely unacceptable? Surely if its so density they don’t have a choice then Israel doesn’t either.
Other poster is correct, civilians on both sides are the only innocent ones here. No need to excuse one side as “no choice”.
I’m honestly curious. Have you ever heard of a single Palestinian accusing Hamas of using someone they know as a human shield? Has anyone ever, really?
The only “sources” backing these “well-known facts” are western media and Israeli-say-so. I’ve dealt with many Palestinians personally (I live in Egypt and we have a lot of them living here), and none of them ever complained about their families being used as human shields. Ever. You’d think some Palestinians would speak up about this by now if it were real.
You know who they unanimously consider unnecessarily brutal and cruel though? The IDF which treats them like less than dirt on a good day.
Hamas has no choice. They, along with Palestinian civilians, have been expelled from their homes and locked into the open air prison that is Gaza. They have a valid cause to fight for, and nowhere to go. In contrast, Israel is killing Palestinian civilians because they want to steal the little patch of land that they weren’t able to steal already. It’s not a valid cause and they have no reason to be anywhere near there.
Because we have strong evidence Israel is not trying to avoid civilian casualties. There’s a difference between the missile attacks on boots on the ground too. When you actually have people in there, it shouldn’t be too hard to avoid killing civilians. Meanwhile, they’re doing things like literally using civilians as human shields or killing civilians collecting aid from an aid convoy.
I can accept some excuses from Israel, if it were accompanied by so much evidence that it’s on purpose. They clearly have no interest in avoiding civilian deaths, and quite probably show an interest in causing them.
That all makes too much sense so obviously that’s not what we’re going to get.
We’re going to get whatever makes the assholes in power the most money and whatever keeps bibi out of trouble as his legal troubles are postponed untill “major operations are over.”
Very well put. I think the only way out of this, post war, is for a Palestinian state to exist. Proper UN membership. The only way this is going to happen is if Hamas goes. Hamas must die. Israel is using every excuse they can to prolong this war and Hamas is giving them plenty of excuses. Everybody sucks here except the civilians who are hopelessly trapped.
How can Israel attack another country and not be at war already?
My guess is that they are attacking Hezbollah-controlled parts of Lebanon and the Lebanese government doesn’t acknowledge their legitimacy.
Israel is USA’s spoiled brat. They’ve been violating international laws for decades now and no one dares touch them, otherwise Karen USA will start throwing a tantrum about it.
Have fun reading on how Israel has violated Lebanon’s airspace 22355 times since 2007.
Yayyyyy warcrimes!
That’s nothing, give them some more time and they will use that stuff in EVERY town! Genociding has many Israeli flavors! They learned this from the Germans. Fucking sad.
