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The difference in results between Scandinavia and the rest of the EU is very interesting. A well-working educational system is clearly the best weapon against fascism.

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Also, a well working social system with low corruption. But it’s a bit chicken and the egg sort of situation.

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It’s really not that simple. Look at Austria, for example. It’s also a lot about culture and society itself and how it developed. We are exporting nazis ffs. Shit that gets people thrown out of parties in Germany (like Krah) is just another Tuesday in Austria. And we have a great educational system. Of course with ways to improve.

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Austrian Nazis? now I’ve heard everything!

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Krah wasn’t kicked out, they just didn’t want him to show up to events because of looks. Now that the election is over watch them fully embrace that treasonous, SS glorifying nazi back as their top candidate. Also I bet it will not take longer than two weeks until LePenne forgets that the AfD is more and more admiting to be fascist and welcomes them back to ID

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You’re not up to date I guess. He will not be part of the Delegation. But he’s still a member of the AfD. (https://www.tagesschau.de/inland/krah-afd-europaparlament-fraktion-100.html)

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Correct me if I’m wrong but wasn’t Krah just forbidden by his party to go campaigning (and he did campaign anyway)? As far as I know he’s still part of the AfD.

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It really depends, there’s plenty of ways to politicize an educational system and call it well-working. I think a more crucial distinction would be to teach people to be able to discern good sources from shit sources and how they can be manipulated without realizing it, and having taught across several semesters, if a good education system is simply not viable (i.e. poorer EU countries).

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That’s why the right hate universities. Well, that and the fact they unis will call out their BS.

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Indeed it is. And still our right wing populists are constantly screeching how the “general media is clearly and unfairly left-biased,” and “how the other side of the story remains untold”.

No shit, Sherlock. Nearly all journalists have college or university degrees, that’s what happens when you open your mind to the larger world.

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EU élections are often used to show your frustrations with the current government. In Sweden and Finland the current government is right wing.

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Participation in the EU election in Sweden was at a record low - just above 50%, which is amongst the worst in Europe. IMO that’s a serious warning flag.

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A well-working educational system is clearly the best weapon against fascism.

That has never stopped fascism before. Ever.

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I think they assume “well working” means “is not a propaganda tool for the fascists.”

They probably don’t want to acknowledge that capturing schools, and what history and literature they are allowed to teach, is also the easiest way to create the Hitler Youth.

It also rather demonstrates that they are the best way to create the Anti-Hitler Youth.

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It also rather demonstrates that they are the best way to create the Anti-Hitler Youth.

As far as I’m aware, proper antifascism is not a subject taught at European schools. Today’s antifascists had to learn it the same way the interwar antifascists learned it - from scratch.

But it’s actually far, far worse than that. Liberal societies are utterly unwilling to confront what fascism really is nor the reasons fascism grows so easily in said liberal societies, and education cirriculums, of course, follow suit. This all makes it very easy for fascism to fester pretty much out in the open.

I won’t be relying on a formal education system to even slow fascism down… never mind stop it.

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That, and also that’s not how the English language works.

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Fascism is always populated by ignorant morons. Always.

And the capitalists who funds fascism? Are they ignorant morons, too?

What about the media, which goes out of it’s way to downplay fascism? Are they morons as well?

What about the police, who always protects and enables fascism - what about them?

Your understanding of fascism is dangerously naive.

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So goddamn sick of fascist populists. Fuck humanity, so fucking stupid it can’t help but shit the bed and fuck everyone else right along with em

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Fascism doesn’t just come and go because people wax and wane in collective stupidity, it’s a very specific set of conditions including Class Colaborationism, rising nationalism, and declining material conditions causing people to long for “the good old days” and “take care of our own, the immigrants are stealing from us so we can’t.” The Class Colaborationism bit is important, because it explains why Social Democracies are especially vulnerable to fascism, as Social Democracy is also based on Class Colaborationism, just not based on nationalism and violent suppression.

People don’t randomly become fascist out of nowhere, it’s a failure to move forward and improve conditions that is being taken advantage of by bad actors to solidify power.

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Yeah, free, happy and educated people don’t suddenly wake up as fascists one day.

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No, they are conditioned to it by radical fascist talk radio and little betas like Charlie Kirk

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Note that conditions haven’t been getting worse in America, but there’s a campaign by the populists to make people feel like it’s worse.

The economy is better than before the pandemic, the wages have finally started beating inflation (to the point people are making more now in wages than before the pandemic). But if you’re on social media you would not think this is the case.

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Conditions have been getting worse. Capitalism requires this. Wealth disparity is skyrocketing, wages fail to keep up with productivity, and American Imperialism is causing genocide.

A minor uptick as compared to a couple years ago does not mean Capitalism is no longer declining.

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Your post describes exactly the state I’m in. Fuck all these greedy fucks, fuck the dumb shits that vote them, fuck the conservatives enabling these Nazi fucks.

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So goddamn sick of fascist populists

They’re the only ones allowed to do any populism. Ratchet keeps tightening, because centrists refuse to do anything nice for people and leftists who obtain the power to do so get labeled “tankie” and run out of office.

So of course, the only people allowed to say anything with a baseline public appeal are going to win a fucking popularity contest

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“Tankie” “Socialist” “Communist” the same things thrown at any politicians left of center.

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And a few right-of-center, when you look at how DLC Dems like Biden and Clinton got smeared.

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Socialist and Communist, sure. But what politicians have been called tankies? I thought tankies were a specific type of communist.

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We, all of us, from all the places, need to get together and start our own county. I’d bring the liquor, though our friends from Germany may legitimately throw me out a window so I’ll leave that to them.

In all seriousness, this is a situation where the minority are the loudest. Everywhere. In the U.S., Canada, South America, Europe and all the States within, we all want a better life. Do what those of us in the U.S. haven’t been able to do and organize if you haven’t. Despite the dumbasses over here flinging insults and threats, many of us are also hoping for the best across the old pond.

This situation with rising fascism is a world problem. It’d be awesome if we could, as a larger community, come together in stalwart support against something, and not just in support of each other.

Whatever you do just know we’re fighting over here in the U.S. too. Many of us are so sick of being robbed to repeat the mistakes of the past.

Anyway, this turned into a rant. I apologize.

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With liquor I think you’d be fine. It’s beer that I have found Germans to be picky about. They will find a window to throw you out of if you hand them a Bud Light

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Bud Light

AKA Pisswasser.

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That is so not true! My German office mate from way back would drink ANY beer. And he was super fun. As a matter of fact, one time he brought Bud Light to a party I threw. He had issues with green peppers, though. Used to say, “Did you know that green peppers are just unripened red peppers?” I don’t think that’s a German thing. I think it was a him thing.

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This could work. We could maybe take over Andorra or Monaco. They wouldn’t mind because we will seduce them by being either A) shopaholics in Andorra or B) gambling addicts in Monaco. It could be like this big European Vacation that never ends (eat your hearts out, Griswalds).

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You’re aware that Monaco is a full-blown monarchy, are you. Yes there’s a parliament but every law needs the signature of the Prince, who is also sole head of the executive. Also they already have like 80% foreign population in the city.

San Marino would be the sane choice. Sole country ever to first elect fascists (to avoid getting invaded by Mussolini), then elect MLs, and then get rid of them again in the next elections. (Had no chance to get rid of the fascists like that they went AWOL after Mussolini’s death). Oldest constitutional republic in the world. Arguably the oldest democracy in the world: Modern suffrage was introduced in 1906 by the Arengo, a meeting of all household heads, which had had constitutional primacy since the middle ages it simply never got around giving the ruling oligarch council the boot. That council was first introduced in 1243 because the Arengo became unwieldy, then centralised power, then forgot who gave it power. I mean after 650 years that’s not necessarily surprising.

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I had it out with a friend of mine who has gone full fascist, spews all the fascist talk show rhetoric, refuses to back any of his claims. A traitor in my opinion, and he is no longer welcome in my life in any way.

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So goddamn sick of communist populists disguised as middle ground socialists. Goes both ways.

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Where exactly in Europe are communist winning elections?

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Austria, in communal politics. Figures people like things such as social housing and respect it when parliamentarians donate excess salary to worker’s charity (in particular, everything that’s above the average wage of a skilled worker).

But I don’t think .ml denizens would ever get there. It would require, you know, touching cobblestone.

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🌈 Awww how can one not love this communist lemmy 🌈

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guess people want to live in shit

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I don’t. Let them live in shit but leave me out of it.

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Welcome to democracy.

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No, people want the people they dont like to live in shit. And dont care if that means they have to live in shit too.

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They’ll happily live in shit if it means the people they don’t like have to eat the shit.

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Their argument being is that as long as others have it worse, its a sacrifice they are willing to make.

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I was a pessimist, therefore the results have actually come out pretty good to me. Far right didn’t win Belgium, and Left party gained a lot of seats in Finland while right wing parties lost seats. Yeah Germany (eyes them suspiciously) and France turned out very right, but a lot of the other countries stayed about ideologically the same or gained left leaning seats.

Overall it seems it’s balanced enough to keep going with the corporate accountability / public convenience stuff we’ve been seeing here in the EU, especially related to tech.

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i don’t remember a time France wasn’t reactionary (in my lifetime obviously). they were in the islamophobia business way before it was cool everywhere else.

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France has been uncomfortably xenophobic for as long as I can remember. It’s never really been addressed.

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As I’ve previously elaborated on in a comment in reply to a similar statement - this has less to do with being anti-islam and more to do with being anti-religion. The French have had a long history with organized religion.

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Though Islam has certainly become the primary target over the last 20 years.

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oh i forgot if you get attacked it makes bigotry ok.

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The bigotry is not in “there are evil Muslims…”, the bigotry is in following it up with “… hence Muslims are evil”.

Whilst it’s still racism to think “this minority ethnicity are good people” (because it’s still generalising by etnicity and prejudice) like some neolibs cosplaying as lefties do, that doesn’t make the “some people who did bad deeds are from a specific ethnicity hence the whole ethnicity is bad” thinking of the far-right (who cosplay as facing of against those neolibs in identitarian wars) any less racist prejudice.

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Weren’t there some Charlie Hebdo happenings regarding some drawings? Can’t seem to understand why would they have something against some particular group

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It’s quite sad that I’m glad the Vlaams Belang is only the second largest party in Flanders and the N-VA beat them with a few percentage points.

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At this point, after seeing the reaction of the German political mainstream to the Zionist Genocide - of unwavering support very overtly because of the ethnicity of those doing the deeds - it should be no surprise at all that, just like the “judging and acting towards others first and foremost based on their ethnicity” taken to the extreme level of supporting Genocide if committed by the “good” ethnicity (in other words, extreme racism), other elements of hard Fascist thinking are alive and well in Germany - the moral distance from the mainstream endorsing extreme violence and child murder along ethnic lines if committed by people of a “good” ethnicity and traditional fascism is merelly the addition of “we’re a good ethnicity too”, since the moral “hard work” of justifying evil acts using the “superiority” of specific ethnicities over others is already done by the first part.

If the foundations of Fascism were simply given a new coat of paint and a new list of “good” etnicities, and then kept being used in Mainstream German politics, it’s hardly surprising that the overt Fascists quickly rose back up as soon as a large enough fraction of the locals was convince that they themselves were not being treated as a “good” ethnicity.

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It’s sad, but predictable. Here’s to hoping for strong antifascist resistance on the ground as the EU itself teeters down the fascist pipeline.

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Antifa will do absolutely nothing. Either these countries start taxing the rich and providing basic needs for their population or the right will rise.

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That wouldn’t be enough, sadly. Anti-immigrant rhetoric is already supremely high, literal Nazism is on the rise.

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Because the lower class cannot afford housing and food anymore. Most of us are likely not in the same situation as those people. We can still get by but those people are stating to go in the red. They just want to work 9-5 and afford their basic needs. Which they now cannot do anymore. And they need something to blame. Government abusing housing as an investment tool? Quick, blame immigrants for the housing shortage. etc.

Luckily Fascismo inc always offers a convenient black sheep.

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Not only the EU. Bigotry, fascism and in general all types of extremism ( on both left and right ) are on the rise on the world stage. Its very sad but very predictable…

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Genuine question, where are the extreme left rising? I haven’t seen any but that might be the algorithms/my news sources talking.

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Maybe referring to china’s treatment of minorities? Though usually when people say “extreme left” they are referring to scary groups like public transit advocates.

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Where is the extreme left rising? Asking for a friend who needs extrication

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Well, i include extreme left because a centre left barely exists anymore on the political field. They are by far the minority, but they exists and they are absorbing the central left

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It’s a good thing that the left seems to be rising in the Global South, but fascism in the Global North is scary, yed.

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