Trump Demands Biden Remove Ad of Him Calling Dead Soldiers ‘Suckers’ and ‘Losers’ - The former president said only a “psycho” or a “very stupid person” would’ve made such statements.

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Convicted felon Donald Trump approaches self awareness and quickly sidesteps.

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Hopefully he does that thing where both step in the same direction, over and over.

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It’s less self-awareness and more alzheimers

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convicted*

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Autocorrect…fixed…ty

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The former president said only a “psycho” or a “very stupid person” would’ve made such statements.

I mean, he’s right…

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next ad boom

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Just run clips of him saying it, then clips of what he just said.

Hell, I’ve even got an idea for the third commercial:

https://youtu.be/Ag4P2xfmuZQ?si=UkSYTIDp0tE_GnuL&t=66

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Unfortunately, I don’t think there’s clips of him saying it

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The definition of “being right, but for the wrong reasons.”

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In fairness to Trump (there’s a sentence I never thought I’d write…)

““He said I stood over graves of soldiers and I said: ‘These people are suckers and losers,”

That’s technically correct. He did not say those things in public.

Edit I watched the ad, it does not specify that Trump said these things in public, just that he said them which is true.

He said them privately to staff members.

Confirmed by Trump’s former Chief of Staff, John Kelly:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/john-kelly-confirms-trump-privately-disparaged-us-service-members-vete-rcna118543

But my favorite quote out of all this is the one that barely gets mentioned:

https://www.axios.com/2023/10/02/trump-troops-fallen-soldiers-john-kelly

Trump saying at a 2017 Memorial Day event in Arlington National Cemetery: “I don’t get it. What was in it for them?”

Trump is ENTIRELY transactional. The idea that good men would fight a war for their country purely because it’s the right thing to do escapes him entirely.

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That’s. Hmm. I never considered he might be on the Autism spectrum before.

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He’s not. He’s just an asshole. He can read social cues, he just doesn’t care. That’s why it can be tiring to deal with people with autism. They’re not assholes, but they act similarly.

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The convicted felon more likely has some kind of Narcissism.

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Antisocial personality disorder is its own thing. It’s not related to autism.

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The idea that good men would fight a war for their country purely because it’s the right thing to do

Since when is it the right thing to do? 93% of wars, particularly ones where the US is involved, are about making rich people richer.

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World War II was not which is the cemetary which sponsored these quotes.

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World War II was not what? About making rich people richer?

You don’t think the Nazis did it for money and power? Where do you think the killed jews property, businesses, money went? Real eastate, priceless artwork, jewellery, savings, some pretty prominent businesses. Hell, they even ripped out their gold teeth.

Ever seen pictures of the mountains of wedding rings and gold teeth ready to be melted they found in the camps?

The leading Nazis lived in wealth and luxury. This whole war was about power and superiority over others, which only come with MONEY.

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You sound so cute and innocent that way.

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Where are you getting 93%?

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98.6% of statistics posted on the internet are made up on the spot.

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Ballpark figure, simple statistics, basic understanding of the capitalist and corporationist mindset.

But yeah it’s only an approximation. The real value is likely closer to 100%.

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I think that’s a question of perspective. We, judging from hindisght and with access to more Information, can tell that. But the people signing up out of a misguided desire to serve probably didn’t. Their motivation - regardless of result - was probably to do the right thing, which is a sentiment that Trump evidently doesn’t just not understand, but doesn’t even seem aware of. “What’s in it for them?” betrays a fundamental ignorance of even the concept that his ilk leverage to get people fighting their wars.

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I think I’d like to see the numbers to back up your statements about the war in question, WW2. Or, sit back in your armchair because it’s still Monday morning somewhere.

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Trump is ENTIRELY transactional. The idea that good men would fight a war for their country purely because it’s the right thing to do escapes him entirely.

In fairness, you only need a bunch of good men to fight a war purely because it’s the right thing in order to counter the bad men fighting a war in order to do a bad thing.

Maybe if Trump’s attitude had been more common in Berlin in the 1930s, or more common in the US during the 1960s or in Israel or Russia during the 2020s, we’d have skipped a few nightmarish atrocities without having a bunch of good men perish in the process.

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You are cherry-picking and going off rails.

But to humor you, how far back do you want to go?

Because the U.S. was founded on atrocities committed against the people who already lived in North America.

And the U.S. funded operations to topple legitimate governments in Central America, a time in which a lot of good people died because of it.

So, don’t paint the U.S. as “the good guys who should listen to Trump.”

But again, this is entirely a red-herring.

The truth of the matter is, Trump is a piece of shit who doesn’t respect the people who sacrifice their lives for his safety.

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So, don’t paint the U.S. as “the good guys who should listen to Trump.”

There are plenty of good people in the US who have resisted the Trumpian brand of ethnic nationalism and the capitalist death drive. And quite a few of them died for their country (or, at least, their friends and family and neighbors). But they’re not the ones we celebrate on Memorial Day. Not officially, anyway.

The truth of the matter is, Trump is a piece of shit who doesn’t respect the people who sacrifice their lives for his safety.

Trump was never in any danger. His father was a fascist who idolized the Italian and German dictators running roughshod over Europe. If they’d somehow managed to marshal enough fossil fuel and methamphetamine to do a reverse D-Day and put Axis soldiers onto the Atlantic seaboard, the Trump family would have been the first in line to great them as liberators.

Why on earth would he be celebrating the Roosevelt Democrats and Eugene Debbs Socialists who were out firing on his ideological allies and business buddies on the other side of the Atlantic?

Trump wasn’t going to pay homage to the allies of Mao Zedong and Joseph Stalin. You think he wants to bend the knee for a bunch of tankies?

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What kind of fucking weakass reasoning is this? “Genocidal maniacs are the moral equivalent of those who would give their lives to stop them”. The fuck?

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“What was in it for them?”

Sounds like a perfectly reasonable question to me… far more reasonable than simply assuming the people who perpetrated the US’s colonialist mass-murder campaigns in the third world was simply “good men” (supposedly) “doing the right thing.”

Good job making Trump sound more rational than you, hero.

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This take just baffles me… you can disapprove of a war, and still respect people willing to put their life on the line for something they believe is right. Even in war, opposing sides have a long history of showing their enemy a certain amount of personal respect, even though they clearly disagree about something to the point of killing each other over it.

Your take is just condescending and unempathetic. You can respect someone for sacrificing themselves without agreeing with them about what they’re sacrificing themselves for. Regardless, it shouldn’t be hard to see how someone fighting to depose an infamously brutal dictator (Iraq) or a fundamentalist regime that stones women for wanting a divorce (Afghanistan) can believe that they are doing something good.

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Masquenox is a troll. Don’t take their bait.

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This take just baffles me… you can disapprove of a war, and still respect people willing to put their life on the line for something they believe is right.

A Toast to the Troops… All the troops. Both Sides.

You can respect someone for sacrificing themselves without agreeing with them about what they’re sacrificing themselves for.

RIP to Sgt. Rufus “Baby Ears” McGuffin. He died doing what he loved. Ripping the ears of babies and putting them on a big necklace that he would wear around camp.

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and still respect people willing to put their life on the line for something they believe is right

Apply your bullshit logic to the Waffen-SS or the KKK, then. Go on… I’ll be waiting for you right here.

Your take is just condescending and unempathetic.

Really, genius? I guess this must be the first time you’ve ever confronted the idea that not all people who experience warfare are mindless zombies willing to die for whatever cause the rich people (or you) told them they should die for? You and the rest of the shitlib hive mind on here are hysterically cramming onto the jingoism train simply to own Trump without realizing what a self-own that is turning out to be.

infamously brutal dictator (Iraq)

Are you talking about the “infamously brutal dictator” in Iraq that the US helped into power? That the US helped to deploy chemical weapons in his war with Iran? That one?

a fundamentalist regime that stones women for wanting

Are you talking about the “fundamentalist regime” that only exists thanks to the massive support the US provided to these very same fundamentalists back in the 80s together with their fundamentalist allies in Pakistan? That “fundamentalist regime?”

Good job, hero - you’ve highlighted why we should all be asking, “What was in it for them?”

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Trump doesn’t understand the question because he doesn’t understand doing things for the betterment of anyone but himself.

For most of history, you didn’t ask “what’s in it for me” when the king/prime minister/ The Church/ or President came asking (country irrelevant). That’s a relatively new luxury due to perspective of the digital age and disagreements with (the US) Government due to transparency.

For most of history “what’s in it for you” was actually getting fed and clothed better than the average peasant. Serving the king was what was in it because you didn’t have to sleep in pig shit and milk the cows every morning. You’d actually get fed for mealtimes instead of playing the barter game all summer and fall just to have enough food to store in salt barrels for winter. And even better, if you tickled enough enemy hearts with your pointy stick there WAS some land and money for you, provided you survived.

Some countries through history also revere their veterans (with actual respect and benefits) so military service itself was the honor. While I understand it’s a dramatization -the beginning of Disney’s Mulan is a great display of it. Her father is it is '60s or '70s and has already served once and has a bad leg. The emperor sends out a call for war and the guards show up in town. When they call his name he sets aside his cane and picks up the summons because that’s what you did. It is what was expected of him and he did it without complaint.

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You’re arguing for both sides of the argument.

First you argue that people obeyed rulers because they didn’t question authority.

Then you argue people obeyed rulers for their own benefit and material gain.

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Trump doesn’t understand the question because he doesn’t understand doing things for the betterment of anyone but himself.

Perhaps so, perhaps not. But that doesn’t make the question any less valid.

For most of history, you didn’t ask “what’s in it for me”

Yeah… that’s not really true at all. Peasant and/or commoner soldiers in both ancient and medieval wars expected to be rewarded with loot and, of course, rapine - that’s the whole reason sackings was such a common thing in those days. Any king or emperor who didn’t provide that was gambling with his own life.

The story of Mulan you mentioned has more to do with Confucian morality than reality - wars in China, by and large, worked on the same rules as those everywhere else. Medieval Japan is a good example - those samurai expected. One of the big reasons for the civil war that racked Japan shortly after the Mongol invasions was driven off was that there simply wasn’t any newly-conquered land to hand out to all the retainers - the war was a defensive one.

No… the institutionalized expectation that a lowly prole should sacrifice “selflessly” for an abstract and immaterial notion such as the nation state is a pretty modern thing - it’s a product of the Enlightenment.

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The Taliban took over Afghanistan as soon as the Americans left.

Did you know why that happened? Because the Afghan military did nothing. They didn’t fight. They retreated.

Imagine if a foreign force invaded the U.S. and the army did nothing and the foreign forces took over the government and controlled your life. Do tell, would you feel safe in those circumstances? Do you know why that doesn’t happen? Because of the people you and your piece of shit dear leader are disparaging.

So, fuck you.

And fuck off, troll.

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The Taliban took over Afghanistan as soon as the Americans left. ran off with their tails between their legs.

FTFY.

You absolutely failed to defeat the Taliban with your billion dollar drones, your billion dollar air-fuel bombs, your billion dollar cluster munitions, your billion dollar airplanes, your billion dollar satellites, your billion dollar “special forces,” your cheaply-bought death squads and your two-cents’ worth “free market capitalism” - and then you ran off and left a cardboard cutout of a puppet-state military to fix the mess that you and only you caused.

No. Fuck you.

The Taliban does appreciate those death squads your “special forces” created, though… those well-trained torturers, rapists and murderers will sure prove useful to a regime like the Taliban, eh?

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Oh look… Lemmy’s current “White Liberal Of The Month” is using terms again that they don’t seem to know the meaning of.

Shouldn’t you be running interference for Israel somewhere else?

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He got specific when attacking John McCain, “I like people who weren’t captured.”

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Biden’s team should shoot back with that: “I like people who weren’t convicted.”

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That will backfire if his son gets convicted.

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Hunter isn’t running for President.

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Hunter better watch out! He may lose an election he’s not running in.

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Then just change it to, “I like presidents/candidates who…”

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HuNtEr BiDeN iS gUiLtY…Of SoMeThInG

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tHe biDeN CriMe fAmiLy!!!

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You mean a drug user lying on a FFl application? Let’s look at Don Jr and his orange daddy’s FFL application.

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If Hillarys people wouldn’t have pushed trump so hard, it would have been McCain vs Hillary, McCain would have easily won…

It’s insane how much better shit would be today if Hillary wouldn’t have gambled or cared about literally anything more than being the first woman president.

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McCain wasn’t running in 2016.

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You’re right.

I was thinking he did but I guess it was Jeb! And Ted Cruz as the Republican establishment picks in 2016.

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Or if the popular vote mattered. She did beat trump by 2.1%… just not in the right states/areas to get the win.

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This is one way to simp for trump I guess

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Even better, how much better would things be if the republikkklowns weren’t racist, hateful clowns?

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Trump rejected the idea of the visit because he feared his hair would become disheveled in the rain, and because he did not believe it important to honor American war dead, according to four people with firsthand knowledge of the discussion that day. In a conversation with senior staff members on the morning of the scheduled visit, Trump said, “Why should I go to that cemetery? It’s filled with losers.” In a separate conversation on the same trip, Trump referred to the more than 1,800 marines who lost their lives at Belleau Wood as “suckers” for getting killed.

source, The Atlantic, September 3rd 2020

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In a conversation with senior staff members on the morning of the scheduled visit, Trump said, “Why should I go to that cemetery? It’s filled with losers.”

Arlington was property seized from Robert E. Lee and chartered to house dead Union soldiers after the civil war.

So it sounds like it was filled with winners, at least for a little while.

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This is pretty much how narcissists think in a nutshell. It’s essentially a mental disability that makes them incapable of understanding why they would care about people, especially people who can’t adore or praise them (i.e. dead people). Emotional one-way street.

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