What are they expecting to happen if they attack Taiwan? They’ll start the next world war. There isn’t a reality where the West is going to let them have it, regardless of how effective their “precision strikes” or suicidal their lunatics are.
They don’t need to invade Taiwan. Taiwan will naturally gravitate towards the winning horse as we are seeing with many other countries around the world. Obviously for countries like Taiwan and South Korea this will be harder as they are essentially just gigantic US army bases, but it will happen.
If a war does occur over Taiwan you can bet that it will be instigated by the US.
I mean, isn’t this just the most schizophrenic framing. It’s Chinese soldiers who are lunatics for being patriotic but Americans are sane for threatening world war over a Chinese island on the other side of the world.
Suicide isn’t patriotic. And it isn’t a Chinese island; that’s the point. It’s a democratic, independent country that happens to be a US ally.
Not according to the US state department:
Suicide isn’t patriotic
Tell that to literally all the European and American soldiers who say they want to die for their country, and all the bumper stickers, and all the memorials, and all of the ceremonies, and all of the rhetoric, and all of the families, and and and… Or do you not consider it suicide when Euro-centric soldiers choose to enlist and committing to fight to their death?
And it isn’t a Chinese island; that’s the point
It’s literally populated by almost entirely Chinese people, Chinese people who genocided the native inhabitants. It is quite literally part of the same land mass and water ways just like Manhattan, Galveston, and the Florida Keys. In all ways except one, it is a Chinese island.
The one way that it is NOT a Chinese island is that when the losing fuedal-fascist White Army fled to the island, the imperial fascist British and Americans interceded to protect their imperial fascist interests by ensuring that the KMT was able to stay alive and that they would be further indebted to them. The KMT then proceeded to prosecute the ruthlessly brutal White Terror on the island while the North Atlantic imperial fascists maintained diplomatic and military relationships with the island as a way of holding on to their imperialist presence in China that they obtained through violence, occupation, and the forced selling of opium.
This is the ONLY definition of “Chinese” that Taiwan is not, specifically that it is not administered by the central government of the mainland. The former central governments all administered Taiwan prior to the civil war, but this particular central government was stopped by European interventionism to advance European interests.
You are grasping at straws in trying to construct a narrow moralistic narrative that smoothly eliminates all the parts of the narrative that would fly against your moral narrative. It’s not working. Reality is what it is.
And it isn’t a Chinese island; that’s the point. It’s a democratic, independent country that happens to be a US ally. 😍
And it isn’t a Ukrainian province; that’s the point. It’s a democratic, independent country that happens to be a Russian ally. 😡
This is because when the losing fuedal-fascist White Army fled to the island, the imperial fascist British and Americans interceded to protect their imperial fascist interests by ensuring that the KMT was able to stay alive and that they would be further indebted to them. The KMT then proceeded to prosecute the ruthlessly brutal White Terror on the island while the North Atlantic imperial fascists maintained diplomatic and military relationships with the island as a way of holding on to their imperialist presence in China that they obtained through violence, occupation, and the forced selling of opium.
Specifically that it is not administered by this particular central government of the mainland is irrelevant. The former central governments all administered Taiwan prior to the civil war, but this particular central government was stopped by European interventionism to advance European interests.
It’s not a Chinese island. They don’t wanna be ruled like that. It’s their choice, not yours
It’s not a Chinese island? So landback to the indigenous Taiwanese, right?
It’s literally an island close off the coast of China, like Galveston, the Florida Keys, or Long Island. It’s literally inhabited by Chinese people. It’s literally been part of Chinese territory for centuries. Just like Hong Kong, if you bring an enemy military into the region from the other side of the world and they enforce a separation of the land from its historical roots, that doesn’t make it legitimate.
Eventually Alaska will need to go back to the people who originally lived there. The European colonies that became new nations do not have legitimate claim to those lands. Just because they killled everyone who disagreed with them and then filled the land with people who agreed with them doesn’t mean the claim is legitimate.
Similarly, just because the KMT killed everyone who disagreed with them and brutally indoctrinated the entire island through the White Terror and just because the imperialist Europeans provided support and military protection while it happened so that the Europeans could still plunder Asia, doesn’t mean that the claim is legitimate.
Reintegration is the only sustainable outcome and China will wait for as long as it takes, knowing that once the US empire declines far enough, Taiwan will have less and less incentive to remain belligerent and will eventually vote for a one country, two systems arrangement.
Always funny to see people validating expensionism in the 21st century, really brings a colonialist bloodlust vibe.
Btw by funny I meant fucking depressing*
LOL, “expansionism”. Like what NATO does? Or do you mean the reintegration of formerly centrally administered provinces after imperialist interventionism that occupied, divided, and oppressed? Because lest you forget, all the people on Taiwan, except for the very small number of natives who survived the genocidal KMT, they’re all part of China. They seceded and the Europeans protected them, not because they had a right to seceded, but because Europe wanted to maintain military and economic dominance over the region. Taiwan is a proxy in this case. Reintegrating the proxy is not expansionism.
Expansionism is 600 military bases around the world. Expansionism is establishing Ukraine as a new proxy and attempting to install net new nuclear capabilities on its border with Russia. Expansionism is literally what China has been fighting against for centuries. And now, because they want to continue pushing out European interests from their corner of the world, you’re crying “expansionism”! It’s ridiculous. Was it expansionism when Hong Kong was returned to China from the British? Was it expansionism when the British could no longer have complete immunity from Chinese law in Shanghai? Was it expansionism when the North Koreans tried to push out the Japanese from the peninsula?
Europe has been expanding for 600 years and you’re going to cry foul when someone tries to push out European interests from where they never should have been in the first place?
For the US, at least, I don’t think the people care enough about Taiwan to support going to war.
The average citizen probably isnt informed enough to know how critical taiwanese manufacturing is to nearly all Western electronics, but I doubt that level of strategic importance is lost to the politicians who will be making the decision.
The thing is that semi fab are extremely fragile. For example, there was a Samsung memory fab where a few minutes of electricity black out killed months of production.
Basically it is impossible to protect Taiwan’s fab. Those fab, by being the best in the world, are actually Taiwan’s best line of defense. As soon as they lose this advantage, they are doomed.
I see what you’re saying, but it is really easy to drum up support, especially with how effective the media has become at manipulating public opinion. I’ve seen the US go to war over much less in my life.
Not really news. Of course soldiers are going to say nationalistic things.
You go to amazing lengths to ignore the argument.
Do the Taiwanese wanna be ruled by genocidal authoritarians? Nope
the end…
Pro human decency tip. Ya can’t impose your will on people. Maybe that’s the concept you fail at grasping
soldiers are blockheaded idiots, more at 11. imagine fetishizing your own agonizing death getting shredded or drowning on some awful beach fighting your countrymen. couldn’t be me.
all power to the peaceful reunification of China
This is the best summary I could come up with:
China has released a new documentary about the army’s preparations to attack Taiwan, showcasing soldiers pledging to give up their lives if needed, as Beijing continues to ramp up its rhetoric against the self-ruled island.
“Chasing Dreams”, an eight-part series aired by state broadcaster CCTV last week to mark the 96th anniversary of the People Liberation Army (PLA), features military drills and testimonials by dozens of soldiers, of which several express their willingness to die in a potential attack against Taiwan.
They serve to fan rising Chinese nationalism and display military confidence against Taiwan and, implicitly, its ties with the United States.
The “Chasing Dreams” documentary showcased, among other things, the PLA’s “joint sword” drills, which simulated precision strikes against Taiwan.
Li Peng, a pilot from Wang Hai Squadron under the PLA air force, echoed the statement, saying his “fighter jet would be the last missile rushing towards the enemy if, in a real battle, I had used up all my ammunition”.
Fan Lizhong, a special tactics unit commander, said in the docuseries that while losing comrades was painful, he had to remain calm to respond to emergencies and always be ready to fight.
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