29 points

In these comments:

CEO admits to whistleblowers being disciplined at work (which everyone knew, he just is saying it)… suddenly becomes He admitted murder!

Sad. If you make up a reality because you feel that way, you are no better then they are.

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You’re right, all these whistleblowers are dying completely naturally and it’s not suspicious at all.

I’d still fly in a Boeing until I hear about them start to get recalled/grounded/etc more, but you must be pretty naive if you don’t see that these deaths are suspicious and don’t think that companies in the United States of America, the land of big business, out of all countries in the world, could have legislative and other protections.

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No they are not that suspicious at all. The first death served no purpose unless you really believe it was a “fuck you” death.

The second wasnt much better, but come on, they really got a hospital involved? Do you know how stupid that sounds?

I DO think CEO’s, members of the board, and rich shareholders have legislative and other protections. At the very least the ability to send lawyers to court for the rest of their lives if they had to. I believe they can get away with quite a lot, and probably make money doing it even if caught. So none of that, NONE of that means resorting to murder. There just isn’t really a need to.

If this were a case of targeted blackmail, perhaps somekind of love affair gone wrong or some kind or really nasty shit, then I could see it.

You can ruin peoples lives, create shoddy products, pollute the land, boss people around, and you won’t get in any trouble if you are rich. No need to murder anyone.

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Barnett was found dead to an apparent self inflicted gunshot wound after officers were sent to his hotel because he missed a deposition hearing… for a lawsuit against Boeing.

Dead, single gunshot wound, in a car. You think that’s not suspicious at all?

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Seriously? No better than the giant megacorp that caused many, many deaths, and other horrible shit they’ve caused or enabled, for thinking they might have caused another death or two in retaliation for exposing their crimes? Fuck off with that shit

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He doesn’t have to admit murder but it is right in front of your face. Someone very connected to Boeing murdered them.

Another thing is the kind of person and even entity/organization it takes to discipline a whistleblower for literally looking out for the public wellbeing such in this case. It takes a sociopath with no regard for human life. If they would discipline them at work what else would they do in private?

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Someone very connected to Boeing murdered them.

Yeah, that second guy, they went all biological right? I mean they gave him the flu to get him to the hospital. Once there, and in his weakened state, they sprang MRSA on him! That way, when they caused the parting shot with a stroke, no one would suspect!

Conspiracy is a lot of fun! Lets add aliens. I mean the whole reason why this is all so hush hush is the government is in a contract with the Aliens from Alpha Centauri and these people stumbled onto it. It is so obvious!

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I agree with you but this is not as impossible as you want it to seem. You can give someone flu like symptoms with a live vaccine shot. MRSA is touch spread and a stroke is just a blocked blood vessel in the brain. Easily done with an injection of something in the carotid. The ridiculous part is the complexity and number of people who would need to keep a secret.

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Guy 1 who suddenly committed suicide? sure. Guy 2 would need about a hundred people to keep the secret and that’s just not happening.

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Suuuuuuuure. Found the assassin! /s

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41 points

why are people in this thread acting as if he’s just admitted to ordering hits on whistleblowers

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We obviously haven’t read the article, yet feel entitled to comment on it all the same! /s bc not having read it myself, I just presume that’s the case 🤣.

More importantly, why are you surprised at that?

Social media is more about feelings than facts, especially when it comes to precision in the details - the barrier to speak is very low, on purpose, to allow us to vent our frustrations at the world being unfair and corrupt and twisted.

In this case it is fairly understandable - he is a very bad man who did very bad things. He has now admitted to a subset of the badness, and people wish that he had gone further to admit it all, so people talk as if that were the case.

Again, that’s just my guess, but we cannot control the world, only ourselves.

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57 points

Might have something to do with the whistle blowers dying mysteriously

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15 points

To be fair only the first was a surprise mysterious suicide.
The second was sick for years and died because of that.

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This is not correct, he was in normal health until after he became a whistleblower and then he got MRSA and died in 2 weeks.

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11 points

Even the 1st wasn’t that mysterious if you read more than headlines. John very likely did kill himself. He had already lost his civil suit against Boeing for damages. Was trying to appeal that case. It very likely wasn’t going anywhere. Because if he had a case Boeing could have quietly settled before the initial trial.

The case also had nothing to do with current Boeing practices as John retired in 2017. John was suing for defamation.

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17 points

Tell me again why we need to be fair to executives that murdered 340+ people to save money on training and certifications for their new plane?

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1% CEO of one of the largest companies in the military industrial complex.

Also: https://youtu.be/OyBNmecVtdU?t=521

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11 points

We will never know if Boeing did it… But we do know how these companies are, so I am just assuming this they did until proven otherwise.

You can always count the corpo trash to do crime… 24/7

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164 points

“You have a duty to demand the highest safety standards… and [ensure] that ‘speak up’ in fact means speak up, not shut up, as it is meant all too often.”

Tell that to Snowden, Assange, Manning etc.

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Obligatory fuck Assange, no protection for Russian Agents.

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yawn. The 2016 media ops are really paying dividends.

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Haha no. He selectively edited Manning’s stuff to frame the US Army long before 2016.

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Fuck Snowden too, no respect for him running to Russia. If you think it’s your moral obligation to break the law, you should be willing to take the consequences. You can’t run off to an enemy state that does much worse things than what you were willing to break the law to expose. I have zero doubt Snowden is a traitor and gave Russia whatever they wanted. It’s possible he started off well meaning, but I wouldn’t be shocked if he did it for Russia all along. His original intentions don’t matter now either way, he had a high clearance and Russia now knows everything he learned with that clearance beyond even the scope of his “whistleblowing”.

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I have noticed that if you say anything bad about snowden on reddit or now the Fediverse, you quickly get down-voted a lot. I am starting to think this is coordinated somehow.

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Slurp slurp slurp 👢😛

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I mean, if I felt morally obliged to disclose illegal or immoral practices to the public, I’d be sure to run so somewhere they can’t get me. If there aren’t proper whistleblower protections, you gotta make your own.

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32 points

Fuck the US and any other governments that are doing this dodgy shit that requires whistleblowing in the first place.

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43 points

I thought he was trying to go somewhere with no extradition treaty with the US and was laid over in Russia when his passport was suspended. It’s kind of outlined here but I could see how that could be concocted and I just want to believe he was better than a Russia mole.

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He didnt run to russia you moron, his passport was canceled by the USA while he was in russia. And his only demand for giving himself up to the US and go to trial was that he was allowed a public interest defense.

FUCK THE USA. You are licking the boots of a surveillance state, and snowden has more backbone than your entire familytree

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50 points

Maybe don’t throw your whistleblowers in a jail and let them rot for life, and you will avoid defections to another country.

Can you blame the guy to not want to die in a dark cell for showing the world that your own government is keeping a lot of tabs on you without your knowledge?

He tried to go to other countries, but none of them wanted to take him in except Russia because of what he knew.

So it’s either die in a cell in the US, or live a somewhat free man in Russia.

The choice is clear.

So demand that your government do better and get behind the people that shows you how your government fucks you over.

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350 points

You spelled assassinate wrong, dude

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You are invited to a meeting Agent X/Whistleblower Coffee chat.

Going? Yes/No/Maybe

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9 points

I don’t know

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10 points

Can you repeat the question?

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33 points

Could this just be an email? I’ve already got enough on my plate.

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3 points

Location: outside 7th floor

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15 points

My indecisive ass would still hit “maybe”

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77 points

How the f do you even start killing people for this? I mean the PR crisis that follows an assassination makes everything way worse doesn’t it?

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It’s what he’s paid for

Bad PR comes and he takes the fall of stepping down with an exit package then everyone is happy

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Nobody’s fucking happy about any of this. They killed a person for speaking up about something that affects almost everyone.

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5 points

I suppose I am a bit more cynical than you

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There are people who have a lot riding on the line going up (often the same people in high positions in the organisation)

All these whistleblowers make the line go down

Of the people psychopathic enough to accumulate enough wealth to have a significant stake in Boeing, there’s going to be a percentage who are full-psychopath.

It’s what unabated greed looks like

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Let’s also not forget those lucrative NASA and Military contracts. A lot of private and public money riding on this.

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You only kill a whistleblower if you’re confident that they would have said something worse in court. It’s almost guaranteed to be front page news.

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Exactly this. Whatever those whistleblowers knew must have been so damning, that committing two murders was better publicity.

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