Claiming that was the easiest election in history discounts the fact that just under half the voting public didn’t respect a very-experienced politician with a history of pro-people causes and perseverance; they wanted the man with no experience and scandals buzzing around him like flies.
Don’t hate the player.
Do you remember the PUMAs in 2008? More Bernie Bros were willing to vote Hillary in the general than PUMAs were willing to vote Obama.
But we’re getting distracted, you can’t blame Bernie supporters because the politician chosen by the DNC had the blood of millions on her hands, and was just generally unlikable.
You run a politician that offers the people fuckall, of course they’re not gonna take a day off work to vote for you, they’d rather have the money.
UK citizen here. Already had 3 women prime ministers.
It wasn’t that Hilary was a woman, simply she was more dislikable than Liz Truss and seemed to put nothing out to convince people to vote for her. It wasn’t clear at all what she stood for or what her platform was.
It came across as entitled and like she took the electorate for granted. No matter how great or good you think you are, or how bad your rival is, you still have to ask the electorate to lend you their vote.
She stood for literally nothing. Just like Biden. And the DNC was caught cheating during the early primaries to thwart Bernie. Just like how Biden went from 4th to 1st overnight after coordinated drop-outs in 2020. At least they didn’t actively commit fraud like in 2016 I guess.
She stood for the corporatist democrats. Hillary is, in my mind, the very avatar of the corporatist democrats. I will never forget Bernie going to attent picket lines while Hillary was attending $10,000/seat dinners. I ended up holding my nose and voting for her in the end, because a shitty Democrat on their worst day is still better than Trump. Anyway, I voted for her, so all this high minded “she was right” rhetoric just pisses me off even worse, tbh.
Just like how Biden went from 4th to 1st overnight after coordinated drop-outs in 2020.
I’m surprised how quickly it was forgotten. I feel like I remember it being an open secret at the time - and with a shove from Jim Clyburn at a key moment just to make sure.
Clyburn’s endorsement of Joe Biden on February 26, 2020, three days before the South Carolina primary, was considered pivotal in the 2020 Democratic presidential primaries. Several analyses have determined the endorsement changed the trajectory of the race, due to Clyburn’s influence over the state’s African-Americans, who make up the majority of its Democratic electorate. Until Clyburn’s endorsement, Biden had not won a single primary and had placed fourth, fifth, and a distant second in the Iowa, New Hampshire, and Nevada caucuses and primaries, respectively. Three days after the South Carolina primary, Biden took a delegate lead on Super Tuesday, and a month later he clinched the nomination.[69][70][71] Biden went on to win the 2020 Presidential election.
Wrong friendo. Here in the states the misogyny is real and pronounced.
Have you noticed what has happened to women’s reproductive rights in the past couple of years?
Misogyny happens everywhere, but it doesn’t help fight it when calling the public misogynists because they didn’t support a dreadful candidate. A man can be a dreadful candidate, and so can a woman.
The degradation of women’s rights is down to failure of the Democrats to maintain balance in the supreme court. It also represents RBGs inability to step aside when Democrats were in power. Supreme Court justices should have some decency, retire at say 67, and allow a new generation to come along. Clinging on until 87 was insanely risky as you certainly need 5 to 10 years leeway to navigate out on your terms. RBG was eulogised, but her clinging to her seat undermined a careers work and any progress on women’s rights amongst other core rights.
almost as if the people who chose to not show up for her were the type of people who would feel disenfranchised by the primary process that crowned her as the candidate before they voted.
Her husband was a neoliberal who cheated on her with a subordinate while in office. Welcome to reality
And her opponent is a misogynistic chauvinist who mocks people with disabilities, diddles children, cheats on his wives, openly talks about sexually assaulting people, has open ties with Putin and Kim Jong-un, honestly I’d be here all day if I tried to scratch just the surface.
Yet voters were okay with him over a milquetoast career politician. She was held to a much higher standard than Trump ever was, hell she still is given that she is somehow being blamed for the farce that is Trump. Why don’t people blame him instead?
She never made a real attempt to meet the voters where they were. Bernie and Trump are both populists, and that was what the people wanted. They wanted–and still want–someone that makes them believe that their candidate will fight for them. Trump excites his base, because they feel like he’ll punish the people that they hate.
Of course, it’s never the party’s or the candidate’s fault, only ever blame the voters.
Voters are ultimately the ones who decide elections. Which is why we had Jan 6 and people getting pissy they couldn’t accept it.
What don’t you understand about it was her turn?
Not a single reasonable person said this. The tweet is totally about how she was freaking terrible at campaigning.
You sound like a person who either didn’t go vote or voted for the guy who cheated on his wife with a porn star while his wife was at home with the newborn.
I dislike the establishment left, but 2016 was one of the most propagandized, misinformation filled, and corrupt elections - in no way can it be considered an “easy election”.
Hindsight is 20/20… The electorate sees no where near that well, and didn’t at the time.
The truth is fascism and pseudo or proto fascism is never an easy thing to defeat, because it breaks the rules and can appeal to forces and parts of human nature that most politicians won’t or can’t run with. This is why most fascists are praised as gifted speakers - even Trump - because they’re appealing to powerful parts of human nature which are usually not spoken about in politics, let alone addressed directly.
I completely agree. Hillary was subject to non-stop manufactured scandals insinuating she was a complete criminal (Benghazi, the emails, etc.). Plus Trump successfully tapped into the “punish the libs” and “it’s okay to be racist” contingents. It wasn’t a great campaign, but to suggest that it should have been a cake walk for her is ridiculous.
It’s easy to make her sound like a victim when you ignore the fact that she did everything in her power to rig the DNC primaries in her favor AND propped up Trump’s early campaign as much as she could. The situation we find ourselves in is certainly not exclusively her fault but she definitely deserves more of the blame than any of us do. She set the board exactly how she wanted and still couldn’t win the game.
A. What candidate wouldn’t use whatever was available to them to win the election? She obviously didn’t do anything illegal or Trump’s DOJ would have nailed her (and they sure tried).
B. Gonna need a source for the Hillary propped up Trump’s campaign part.
I agree with you that it wasn’t a cakewalk, but the problem was she treated it like a cakewalk. She assumed she had it locked up, and ignored all polling that didn’t support her landslide victory. She punished downticket candidates who didn’t bend the knee by skipping their districts in places like Wisconsin and Michigan, because she assumed people would show up for her.
She ran a terrible campaign, kowtowing to the worst attacks, thinking it was politics as usual, acting like she was above the fray while she was face down in the mud getting stomped on.
She should have gone on the offensive. She should have presented a vision for a better America. She failed us all, and for that she deserves as much scorn as we can conjure.
I don’t know, it seems like when she even mildly went on the offensive, people on both sides (and especially the media) ripped her for it. Remember the “deplorables” things?
For ages, I don’t think even Trump’s campaign thought he had much of a chance (many sources have said he didn’t even want to win). And remember, she did win the popular vote.
I don’t think she did nearly as well as she could have, but there’s a lot of hyperbole about her that I think is misplaced.
This is why most fascists are praised as gifted speakers - even Trump
The fuck? I’ve never heard anyone say that. The guy can’t string two sentences together. Gifted? More like special needs.
The DNC stole the nomination from Bernie Sanders. Thus losing the democrats the election. And us getting Trump. I was Pro Bernie myself, THeeeen Pro Trump. Because I figured Trump would fuck shit up enough it would get Americans to get off their lard asses and give a fuck. Didn’t realize he would try an actual, though pathetic, coup on january 6th.
Let’s also remember that most people didn’t REALLY think Trump had a chance in 2016, even most Republicans voting for him. If everyone that would have voted against Trump had shown up (less than 60% of eligible voters turned out in 2016), it would have been no contest. He didn’t even get the popular vote in the end. But nobody took his campaign seriously and counted on everybody else to turn out to make the obvious but boring choice.
In 2020, though, we had the highest turnout of eligible voters since 1920 (still an embarrassing 66.6%). The only reason that the turnout for 2020 was so high is because so many people were so eager to either maintain or end Trump’s reign that people were charged up and went to the polls. The only realistic way that Trump doesn’t win this time though is if everyone who was so charged in 2020 remains as charged this time, or a new bunch of voters, like newly eligible young voters, show up in droves… and I’m very concerned that that doesn’t happen.
If everyone that would have voted against Trump had shown up (less than 60% of eligible voters turned out in 2016), it would have been no contest.
Everyone needs to read and comprehend this. The number of people who didn’t want Hillary or Trump was greater than the number of people who voted for them. But the system doesn’t reward abstaining. Trying to make a statement by not voting only serves to reward the people who you are abstaining from. Fucking vote, people! Write a candidate in if you have to. Vote for your dog. But get off your asses and use the right that hundreds of thousands of people died to protect.
One guy thought Trump had a chance. Ome guy kept saying that Trump was going to beat Hillary, and we needed a better strategy than hers.
I can’t imagine young voters being disenchanted more than they are when the Biden admin ignores their pleas to stop a genocide and walks all over them like spoiled children. He needs them now more than ever. I can’t see him realizing it, however.
Chapo Traphouse said it quite well with today’s episode: he isn’t willing to sacrifice his pride for the good of democracy. And Dems aren’t willing to shame and embarrass him to protect it either. We’re fucked.
It would have been easy if Clinton’s team hadn’t deliberately helped Trump, thinking that putting a fascist on the world stage would make their jobs easier.
“Obama has been doing a great job for 8 years and I plan to continue his legacy as best I can. We’re going to give more money to workers and students and also legalise weed.”
Boom. That’s all winning an election took in 2015. It’s Clinton’s fault she needed to go and defeat fascism and failed.
You might want to look up Umberto Eco’s definition and I think it might be called something like “needs served by ur fascism”…
…but basically it’s authoritarian indoctrination into the idea that all individuals are subordinate to the state, and in order for them to be seen as having value they must give themselves entirely to the state’s goals and ideals to the point of happily, willingly, unquestioningly, and mindlessly giving their lives for/to the state.
It’s a kind of religious faith and fervor. It’s designed to replace and subordinate all other values and more often than not, places absolute power and faith in a single individual… And there’s often an irrational “cult of personality” around that individual. That person can “do no wrong” and is sometimes praised as a god or thought of as divine or having elements usually reserved for religion. They’re sometimes cast in the role of a father figure or God Emporer, and are always a “strong man leader”. Protection and veneration of them is the highest Aim in fascism (because everyone’s brainwashed by propaganda to believe he can do no wrong, and followers are sometimes scared to question or admit otherwise).
Fascism is named after the Roman “fascia” which was a bundle of sticks (sometimes with a long axe handle in the middle), that was used to beat unruly crowds and protestors (this goes along with the “strong man dictator imagery”). The internal fascist perspective is that this represents the strength through binding of strict rules into a community that is stronger than the sum of its parts, so the individuals no longer matter, they must move as the collective community of fascist believers demand.
So it’s a sort of radical authoritarian collectivism. It’s very much like a cult, but a cult that grips the whole of political society and the masses, it usually involves propaganda, and religious overtones, meaning the people giving up their rights, freedoms, bodies, and lives believe it’s in their best interests and may even get a substantial power trip from being the purveyors of popular violence in the name of their political religion. It usually involves political purges, and a complete conversion of society.
Fascism always requires enemies, and victims, people to target, blame, and be violent to. This often starts out as being the political opposition, then might also include demographic or ethnic or religious types, and almost always gay and queer people. Anyone different or who doesn’t abide by the group’s convictions around uniformity.
In Nazi Germany it was Gays, Jews, Subversives, and Criminals. In PolPot’s killing fields it was anyone who didn’t look Cambodian enough, or had any health defects, or disagreed or spoke out against the Khmer Rouge. In Hindu systems of Fascism it’s often Muslims.
Each culture and nations fascism has different aspects, but they all have key characteristics, which is what Umberto Eco was trying to define.
So that’s Fascism, named after some Roman shit, and usually has an angry “leather daddy” whose actually a loser at the top. It’s kinda pathetic and usually recruits people who don’t have a good sense of themselves and their own free will. People with low self-esteem who are angry and have grievances, who are upset at society or how it’s treated them, and who don’t question themselves or have a lot of empathy or self awareness of how others might be view things or be effected. Recruits are people who want to feel strong, but can’t for whatever reason. The group fascism makes them feel they’re being strong, and good, have a place in the world and brotherhood.
The best way to avoid fascism is to have a society based on shared community, transparency, justice, and empathy where everyone gets a say, but certain individualist limits are respected (eg. Self-autonomy, intellectual and political freedoms ect…) - and by making fascist movements and elements illegal or difficult to get away with. Also see Karl Popper’s “The Paradox of Tolerance”, or Herbert Marcuse’s essay on “Repressive Tolerance” for more on this.
the establishment left
Real interesting way to refer to the center-right.
While she’s not free of blame for losing, the primary opposition party candidate colluding with a foreign power to manipulate the election definitely had more of an effect on the result than anything she did. DNC emails poisoning the progressives support for her while Comey’s investigation into being made public (because of Republicans leaking it) eroded away the support of independents and undecided voters.
In an alternate world whete the RNC emails got leaked and Comey’s investigation of Trump got leaked to the public and there is no way Trump wins and likely is in handcuffs before Jan 20 2017
Can’t say I’m happy with how he handled things, though it does need to be said he didn’t bring the investigation to the public, he took it to congress, who immediately leaked it.
That’s how all campaigns die, a death by a thousand cuts. Such things should be anticipated. Nothing hurt Hillary more in that election than Hillary being Hillary.
As for the emails, they could never have been leaked if they didn’t exist in the first place. The complaint is essentially that they got caught. How Trumpian.
You say it was an easy win, but HC was once one of the top 3 most popular politicians in America and at the same time I’ve never seen people so enthusiastically support a candidate like so many support Donald Trump. They put flags on trucks and formed convoys to harass democrat campaign busses.
Hillary? Popular? Did you just pop into this timeline from another reality?
"What does that mean? Infamous?
In-famous is when you’re more than famous." …from “Three Amigos”
Yes, the reality that existed before 2016. It was extremely different from now.
You keep using that word.
I do not think it means what you think it means.
She was far from popular, in 2016. How old were you 2016? Because research may not be painting you a good picture.
And if you were an adult, perhaps you were isolated? I don’t know the explanation. But you are quite wrong. She has never been popular with the majority.
I don’t know about top 3 popular, in the SE Hillary is probably one of the top 3 most hated politicians and land area wins elections here unfortunately.
