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There were a few anti-pollution/eco-terrorist stories long ago. Eventually it became impossible to have a Sea Lord who wasn’t justified in wanting to kill all the surface dwellers.

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Isn’t Magneto more in the “genocide you before you genocide us” camp? Understandable, but hardly heroic.

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Xavier is in the “peace and no one gets genocided” camp, and still gets genocided. Magneto is right and is acting in self-defense.

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Magneto also has a tendency to shoot first and target civilians, including civilians sympathetic to his cause. He’s a sympathetic figure and he has a point, but he’s only a hero half the time for a reason.

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43 points

Well, yeah, he’s on the right side, so writers have to make him do objectively unforgivable things for seemingly no reason in order to ensure the reader doesn’t sympathize with someone challenging the status quo.

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2 points

Yep, gets genocided by the people Magneto made popular.

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23 points

yeah, it’s more a Malcolm x vs Martin luther King thing. who’s right and who’s wrong is really a spiritual opinion.

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17 points

It depends on the writer and version. Magneto ranges from mutant Hitler to Malcolm X. There are several arcs where he is clearly wrong.

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Yeah but they at least generally write his mutant Hitler stories sympathetically.

He already watched the world try to exterminate his people once. He’s gonna be a bit trigger happy if he notices it happening again in even the slightest degree.

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12 points

Brotherhood of Evil Mutants Resistance to Fascism.

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12 points

How long until Thanos becomes a hero?

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86 points

His plan was utterly dumb. You have a godlike power and what do you do?
Implement a teenage edgelord plan

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60 points

His comics counterpart didn’t even have good intentions of any kind. He just wanted to sleep with Death and thought that being the biggest mass murderer in history would be a turn on for her.

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37 points

Imagine becoming a mass murderer for a woman you are into only for her to end up dating Deadpool instead

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Movie Thanos or Comics Thanos?

Comics Thanos is a genuinely unhinged psychopath who really wanted to impress the manifestation of Death. Outside of some opposite day shenanigans and some really wild arcs, he’s never gonna be a hero.

Movie Thanos is an edgelord, and will be remembered as a hero by edgelords and as an edgy idiot by everyone else because his solution is terrible. The universe would inevitably repopulate, inequality would spread again. There’s very little difference between eliminating 50% of the population and increasing total resources by 50% when you have the power of infinity.

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Movie Thanos has one of the most relevant back stories in all of action films. He saw the universe as a burden amongst itself and with his order he can save it from itself. Most people relate to this. Even consider it a hero’s journey in many games. But what his actions are with this perspective in mind is what makes him a villain. And one of the reasons I think he is up there with Darth Vader or The Joker. A good villain makes the heroes win even better.

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14 points

We can do better than eco fascism. Thanos should never be a hero.

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11 points

How fat is his ass?

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6 points

4 c thicccc

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3 points

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Always has been. Earth healed a fuckton the time half population was gone. Then double the population again out of nowhere and expect the planet to be able to cope with it. Avengers made things a lot worse.

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33 points

He could of just doubled the resources or rewritten reality so that they were no longer required. I was disappointed that neither movie even attempted to address this.

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11 points

That’s what always bothered me. I know the stones are limited to the user, but he could have easily expanded his views and understanding using the stones and then literally rewrite fucking reality to ensure no one is without want.

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It gets referred to in one of the what if episodes (the one where Black Panther becomes Star Lord iirc). It was humorous but didn’t really address it strongly.

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He didn’t go far enough. World population doubling time is down to 50ish years. Thanos probably took 50 years to formulate, prep, and execute his plan, during which time the population had doubled and he was just returning to status quo. It’s like what is happening to the $15 minimum wage movement with inflation

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9 points

Venom might have been a bad guy but he always had a moral code and a reason for his behavior. When Carnage was born, Venom was charged and had to help Spiderman stop him. Venom has always been a wildcard. A Ying Yang.

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Yin Yang

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