cross-posted from: https://kbin.run/m/technology@lemmy.ml/t/553659

A decline in fossil fuel power is now ‘inevitable’, the report’s authors say.

96 points

I sometimes wonder if I’ve already bought my last gas powered car. Glad to see things moving in this direction.

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41 points

Honestly I bought an EV, and I don’t think I’ll go back at all. I haven’t had any downsides, it’s been all around a more convenient car

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Me too. And i don’t even have a home charger. Charging has been slightly inconvenient occasionally but never a real problem. I’m never going back to a stinker.

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15 points

Home charging is a lifestyle game changer. I hope you get it available to you at some point.

Can I ask, is the reason you don’t have Level 1 (120v outlet) charging available because you’re renting where you don’t have a garage or dedicated outlet available to you?

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7 points

If you can, adding a lvl 2 charger is 100% a worthwhile investment. If you can’t I understand though

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2 points

People also never think about how inconvenient it is to go to gas stations. Especially if they shop around for better prices. With EV charging (besides road trips), you never think about it.

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12 points

I’ll gladly scrap mine and revert to walking and a wheelbarrow if it gets us out of this mess.

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9 points

IMO you shouldn’t decrease your quality of life for the idea. It’s better to push politicians into spending your tax money on green infrastructure

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5 points

I mean, things like eating less beef are important too.

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5 points

Not owning a car increases my quality of life, by leaving money for goods and services that I actually enjoy (and not being quite as crushed by the cost of living). But I get that it’s not viable everywhere.

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1 point

It will, but the hard part’s getting everyone else to go along with it

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11 points

I have. Hope to pass my GTI to the kids when they’re old enough in a few years. Replace it with the EV GTI coming.

If for some reason I have to replace sooner, I’m going with a Hyundai Ioniq 5. I’m a sucker for hatchbacks. Cracks people up because I’m 6’4".

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4 points

Woah woah woah…ev gti? I must go do some research

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4 points

VW claiming it will be real by 2026. I bet US doesn’t see it until 2027.

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1 point

I’ve got a manual GTI and I’m planning on keeping it forever, too. And I’m also 6’4" and love hatchbacks. Are you me?

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1 point

As a former GTI, GTI, and Jetta GLX owner, I was extremely disappointed with the E-Golf. My wife and I have been wanting a better EV Golf variant and hoping the GTI platform pushes VW to do it right. Until then I watching the EV truck market actually put out stuff out that could actually be a week in the woods vechile.

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2 points

The E-Golf is gone, luckily. ID.3 is the one now. For a sportier version, look at Cupra Born. We picked one up for the missus and it’s a lot of fun!

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6 points

I’m glad that I made it this far in life without having to buy one. And that my children might not even have the option.

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6 points

I believe I have already. I just bought my first EV last fall and it’s going great so far. Charging at home is a real game changer. Certainly they’ll be the rule, before I need another

…. This is my first summer with it, so we’ll see if I still say that after more road trips

Then there’s my kids. I have two teens, new to driving. So far they have my old Subaru, but we’ll see what happens when they want their own vehicles. ICE vehicles are cheaper, especially used ones

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3 points

I keep thinking that the second hand market for electric cars is going to become reasonable. But it never does

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4 points

Leafs are reasonable now. Some older Teslas. That’s about it.

The problem is that electric cars are so awesome, they hold their value for EVER.

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2 points

I’ve been able to make do without a car for over 30 years of my life and i just bought my first car, an EV. With a home charger it’s awesome and off-peak charging I often get a full charge (77kWh) for 1€.

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57 points

Additinal bonus: Since both EU and China are shifting away from fossil fuels, this will fuck Russia forever

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53 points

And Saudi Arabia, Iran and any number of disgusting fascist regimes that the West has coddled far too long just for cheap gas.

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21 points

Saudis could turn their country into an industrial power house with dirt cheap energy, but they’re spending their wealth on skyscrappers instead…

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12 points

The moment they would heavily invest in solar they signal their cash cow is ready for slaughter.

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3 points

If they’re smart they will have diversified by then. Otherwise it’s going to lead to a lot of civil wars as the established order breaks down. That will be unfortunate.

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2 points

Do they strike you as smart?

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15 points

China are shifting away from fossil fuels,

China’s coal use has gone up every year since 2000 and is now 5 times what it was back then. They aren’t “shifting away”, they are steadily increasing its use.

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25 points

Not for long - China has the fastst growing solar sector by far world wide.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Growth_of_photovoltaics

Around half of global new PV instalations is deployed in China.

Article also says that 2023 had particularly nasty drought resulting in less hydro power, which they compensated by burning more coal

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33 points

One thing to keep mind is that while the percentage share of renewables is growing, in absolute terms electricity production from coal and gas still increased. Looking at this data, which I assume to be the base of this article.

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It’s interesting. If you look at the IEA report here: https://origin.iea.org/reports/world-energy-outlook-2023/executive-summary

Gas, oil and coal demand is reducing globally; however global investment in fossil fuels is increasing, albeit at a far lower rate than renewables. I suspect this is driven by third world countries, where the initial cost can put off investment in renewable infrastructure; however this is also something that is being looked at: https://www.reuters.com/sustainability/climate-energy/iea-working-cut-renewable-energy-costs-developing-world-2023-12-22/

Also this report suggests that energy production from coal, gas, oil, hydro and nuclear have starting to plateau from 2021, with solar still showing an marginal increase alongside wind, bio energy and ‘other’: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/electricity-prod-source-stacked

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Gas, oil and coal demand is reducing globally; however global investment in fossil fuels is increasing, albeit at a far lower rate than renewables.

For coal the summary definitely seems to support the reduction in themand, but at least for the next few years gas and oil still seem quite stable to me.

I suspect this is driven by third world countries, where the initial cost can put off investment in renewable infrastructure;

Shouldn’t it be the other way around, particularly for solar? Easy to set up, cheaper, flexible to scale, and the more decentralized setup might even help with poor electricity grid, since you can just set them up whereever needed and even have them work insular without connection the the network.

Also this report suggests that energy production from coal, gas, oil, hydro and nuclear have starting to plateau from 2021, with solar still showing an marginal increase alongside wind, bio energy and ‘other’: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/electricity-prod-source-stacked

Imo the recent events have made it a bit hard to judge trends just from a few years. 2021 you are right in the middle of covid screwing over global trade, following that you have russia invading ukraine and the subsequent shift in europe (will be interesting how that plays out once the conflict ends), and as the main article of this thread suggests hydro was heavily affected by recent droughts (although those might become the norm). Only nuclear might be somewhat easier to extrapolate, since new capacity doesn’t just magically appear, but involves long term planning.

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4 points

Shouldn’t it be the other way around, particularly for solar? Easy to set up, cheaper, flexible to scale, and the more decentralized setup might even help with poor electricity grid, since you can just set them up whereever needed and even have them work insular without connection the the network.

Yeah, I would’ve thought that to, but according to the following report apparently not: https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2022/07/renewables-are-the-key-to-green-secure-affordable-energy/

But in developing countries, lack of access to finance under reasonable terms makes the costly upfront investments in renewable energy unaffordable. In addition, macroeconomic and political uncertainties discourage private sector investors from supporting renewable energy.

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3 points

Yeah, without strong global cooperation (good luck on that), I would think reducing demand of fossil fuels (or, I guess we’re only reducing growth of demand right now), will just make fossil fuels cheaper, and some countries won’t hesitate to take advantage of that. I think “The Green Paradox” talks about this.

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1 point

I wonder how low oil price needs to fall before extraction isn’t feasible anymore?

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2 points

That’s not surprising. The amount of technologies that have come out recently that use up huge amounts of power are fucking us over. Especially Bitcoin and AI.

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17 points

I skimmed the article but didn’t see if they were including LNG in their renewables numbers, which certain publications sometimes do - assuming that’s not the case, this is great news

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3 points

people include fossil methane among “renewables”??

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5 points

There was a UK politician who famously said that he thinks personally that coal is a renewable resource, because eventually trees would turn back into coal. Fortunately everyone thinks he’s an idiot so no one really listens to him.

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2 points

Super common with american media

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2oL4SFwkkw

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14 points

This lemmy community is a thing? Saw it on the front page, got me excited.

As for the actual article, makes you wonder what the next 10-20 years will look like. We very well might be moving towards finally having the renewable-powered world we need.

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4 points

It definitely is a thing! I hope to see renewables to over more and more. Even financially now it makes more sense, they’re cheaper and their price is more stable than fossil fuels. I’m lucky to be in an area where 100% of my electricity comes from renewables too. Hope it catches on more and more!

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2 points

I know I’m being played, but when oil companies finally switched to renewables I’ll be so happy.

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