Without evidence, the Republican vice presidential candidate tried to cast doubt on his opponent’s obvious momentum: “If you talk to insiders in the Kamala Harris campaign, they’re very worried about where they are”

You’ve heard Donald Trump cry “fakenews” too many times to count, and now his running mate is claiming — without evidence — that the media is using “fake polls” to show Vice President Kamala Harris is in the lead in the presidential race.

In an interview on Fox News Sunday, Sen. J.D. Vance alleged that “The media uses fake polls to drive down Republican turnout and to create dissension and conflict with Republican voters.”

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DJ Trump comin’ in your ears

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And JD Vance in your couch.

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First thing I thought when seeing this. Looks like a poster for a gig and the setlist. Someone needs to put an ai to it and make the most garbage of songs out of those titles 😆

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I bet Replace Bureaucracy is a banger

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Bureaucracy isn’t something inherently good. I don’t think you’re going to get a lot of people jumping to defendant. It can exist for reasons. I think it would be better put that they want to end democracy rather than bureaucracy. Democracy absolutely tends to lead to some bureaucracies. Whether or not they’re Justified is another question.

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Bureaucracy is a tool it is neither inherently good or bad. Me implying that it wasn’t inherently good. Did not imply that it was inherently bad. It is inherently necessary. But also not something you’re going to get people to Rally around unfortunately. I understand that I seem to have found five or six bureaucrats. Who visit Lemmy and are very upset that people don’t love bureaucrats. There’s nothing I can do about it. Just quit with your straw man.

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Yeah, that needs to be rephrased: “replace civil servants with sycophants” or “replace subject-matter experts with MAGA idealogues” or something getting at that idea.

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Yes I can 100% agree with that

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Yeah, that should be rephrased somehow. While I’m not sure exactly what was intended for that, part of the platform is to replace the meritocracy (people hired for ability to do their job) with loyalists (people hired solely for loyalty to whoever won) …… for as many as 50,000 positions.

Generally thenn be policy heads are loyalists and the people who make it happen know what they’re doing

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Bureaucracy is necessary in a modern, functioning society.

“Move fast and break things” doesn’t work on the government level (it arguably doesn’t work for tech bros either). We need things like permits and building codes.

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I agree 100%, that’s why I didn’t say any of the things you are pretending I said. I simply said bureaucracy isn’t something that people like and are going to feel motivated to defend. Even if it is necessary

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Can you tell me how government services and operations would be run without civil servants?

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I never implied that it could or should. It’s more that bureaucracy isn’t something that people are fond of and want to protect. And therefore is bad propaganda wise to around people around. This is all something that you all are misunderstanding and reading into it.

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Keep on denying everything. Love to see it.

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Sadly this led to January 6th as the MAGAts “couldn’t believe” that Trump lost. I’d like people to start accepting reality ASAP, ideally, before our next insurrection election.

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It’s beautifully counter productive because if they convince their base it’ll be a cake walk GOP turnout will dip.

Keep denying it JD!

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all hail the Indianan edge lord! lol what a rube

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This is a part of the plan to delegitimize and undermine any election result that doesn’t go their way. “The election results are fake. We’ve been telling you for months that the polls are crooked so the election must have been crooked.”

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“It’s not over on Election Day. It’s over on Inauguration Day,” (Trump campaign manager) LaCivita told Politico’s Jonathan Martin during a Thursday interview at the RNC.

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This guy is sofa king annoying.

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Don’t trust polls.

There’s always an element of society who pretend they don’t know who they’re voting for yet. They’re voting for bad things, they know they’re bad, and they are embarrassed to tell pollsters.

Vote.

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Not to mention the incredibly questionable ways of gathering data.

Like calling people in the day, on their PHONES, asking how they might consider voting. Like MF, I’m working in the day and I’m not picking up a random phone call to tell you about my political alignment.

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Yeah, I don’t know if it’s still even possible to do an accurate poll these days, what with how hard it is to get accurate representation of the following groups: people who ignore all unrecognised calls, people who hang up as soon as they can tell it’s a mass call rather than something for them specifically, and people who don’t want others to have accurate information. It’s even difficult to accurately measure the size of each of those groups, let alone figure out what they think.

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Like calling people in the day

I had a pollster call me at 10pm.

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Don’t trust polls.

High quality pollings (Gallup, Ipsos, various university polling groups) are consistently reliable within the margin of error. There’s no point in being afraid or dismissive of them.

There’s always an element of society who pretend they don’t know who they’re voting for yet. They’re voting for bad things

There are plenty of people who are disinterested or uninformed. They aren’t naturally malicious simply because they don’t religiously follow political news. Lots of them don’t even know if they’re going to vote until early voting starts, and even then only vote as part of their family or social group rather than because they have an emotional attachment to one of the parties.

The regional nature of voting tends to mean that if you’re too shy to express your views, you aren’t in the majority anyway. Its the guy who answers the phone in a MAGA hat and shouts “Hell yeah I’m voting fer Trump!” that you have to worry about, not the one who is too shy to whisper support for RFK Jr down the line.

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don’t trust polls.

This isn’t telling you to not be confident or to be scared, this is telling you to not assume victory is assured. Vote regardless of polling. Polling can be accurate or not. If the polling is accurate, and a majority would vote for A, but A is so far ahead of B that A-voters sit out the race, B can still win if enough voters choose to stay home.

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this is telling you to not assume victory is assured

Who looks at a 50/48 polling split and thinks victory is assured? That’s still within the margin of error and it doesn’t even include battleground swings.

But if it was 60/40? Yeah, I’d feel pretty assured. You’d be a fool not to.

If the polling is accurate, and a majority would vote for A, but A is so far ahead of B that A-voters sit out the race

People keep talking about this like it ever actually happens? Name one candidate that lost an election because the polling was too favorable.

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