Qutebrowser and (maybe, haven’t tried) Falkon can use qtwebkit as a backend
luakit, surf, otter, epiphany, badwolf, vimb use gtkwebkit
lynx, links, elinks, w3m, netsurf use their own browser engines
there’s also 😒 f*refox 😒 and its forks, if you need cancer like css, js, webrtc, or wasm
cancer like css and js
what kind of websites are you visiting that don’t use either of those?
“guys ios is bad try android”
looks inside android: its literally bad
“guys try this fork of android”
looks inside: it’s better, i guess.
technology fucking sucks, remember when you could just buy software and that shit worked? Yeah me neither i use linux shits free over here.
But what about mobile? I started using FF and I have to admit that Chrome is a better mobile experience. Brave isn’t for me either.
Edit: lol I’m sorry my experience doesn’t match yours and I chose to ask a question.
Welcome to Lemmy where having an opinion even slightly different from the open source/Linux fanboys grants you downvotes to oblivion, no questions asked 🙃
Thanks for putting yourself on the pyre to prove a point. Hivemind is worse here than Reddit imo, because at least Reddit has a diverse user base…
Yup, I totally agree. I’ve been in this situation a few times where I just asked a question because I wanted to know people’s opinion about something privacy or FOSS related, and got downvoted.
I have an IRL friend who went back to Reddit in large parts because of stuff like this. It’s pretty bad.
And I say all this as an open source developer
Chrome doesn’t support browser extensions so it is an awful experience for me
Same, curious what issues they have in FF, I only know of a couple sites that don’t work right in FF mobile
I still use ff android, but it seriously annoys me that this bug hasn’t been fixed in 6 years https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1535985
The Reddit hive mind behaviour is seeping through the cracks.
For me personally, the experience is allowed to take a hit, hell even a major hit, if the browser respects me as a user. FF seems to be better on that front although I’ll confess I use Vanadium on my phone. Its GrapheneOS’ default browser.
Firefox has ad blockers on mobile.
That immediately makes the mobile web useable again.
I still prefer FF or Vivaldi over Google Chrome. Yes Vivaldi is Open Source Chromium, but at least it doesn’t have the Chrome crap in it.
I tried Vivaldi, it’s a good browser but I prefer Brave because it has build it Tor. In my country most torrent sites are blocked so a built-in Tor is useful to me, it can open those sites without VPN.
Brave is also a shifty shady browser that has problems with inserting affiliate links without telling you and selling off user data. They’re really not better or remotely trustworthy TBH, you might as well use the actual TOR browser built on Firefox if you need that capability.
Yeah, I don’t understand how Brave became acceptable all of the sudden.
Did they do some big marketing campaign in the US or something?
That’s like saying there’s only 5 games because they use the same game engine
Vivaldi contains Chromium, but it isn’t itself open-source, by the way.
They say of themselves that “for all practical purposes the Vivaldi source code is available for audit”. I would not fully agree with that either, but I guess, at that point the open-source purists have already lost interest anyways.
https://help.vivaldi.com/desktop/privacy/is-vivaldi-open-source/
Is there a mobile Vivaldi counterpart? It doesn’t make sense for me that I can’t share history with desktop and mobile together
What’s preventing me, a private user, from just creating my own web browser? it’s a program like any other that just needs to be able to access each websites’ server and display its files right? You can’t tell me that nobody else has ever wanted to make their own alternative, so why do we never hear about them?
Time and knowledge. Browsers are basically almost an OS nowadays in capabilities. Yes you can build a basic HTML renderer quickly. But anything beyond that just takes a enormous amount of effort and time especially if you want to make it performant and secure. Like it’s very easy to accidentally introduce a vulnerability that can be exploited by someone. Like the last few generations of Nintendo consoles were hacked and jailbroken trough the browser. And that’s a browser build with WebKit by a team of engineers. Good luck doing it on your own, especially without Chromium or WebKit.
It’s possible. But it’s a huge undertaking. If you just wanted to fully understand all of the specifications for HTTP, JavaScript and CSS, it’d take you days before having written a single line of code.
Then you need to write all that in a performant way.
Then you need to keep up with all the new features.
Then you need to keep up with all the new security threats.
Browsers nowadays are practically little operating systems. So the question is not that far off from asking what prevents you from writing an alternative to Windows.
You can. But it’ll cost millions, or maybe billions, to build something good.
If you count the hours spent and developer pay, I’m sure it would. It’s just all donated by the contributors.
Probably the fact that you could work for the rest of your life and never catch up to the current spec. It’s enormous, and they’re adding more things faster than you could ever keep up with.
Even MS couldn’t be bothered any more, and that’s a $3 trillion business.
Which is why there’s only three browser engines in any kind of use.
a program like any other that just needs to be able to access each websites’ server and display its files right?
In software engineering “just” is often considered a dirty word.
Rendering HTML and CSS correctly is not trivial.
Doing JavaScript to spec also is not trivial.
Doing all your http verb network request stuff is also not trivial.
Plus the interface (probably graphical) is a lot of work.
There’s also probably a thousand other things that would eat up time. Displaying all the different image formats, for example.
