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Because “Fuck you, got mine”

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Wealth makes people more likely to be conservative, as does age.

The poor young man who recorded Fuck tha Police is a very different person to the multi-millionaire media star being interviewed on Fox.

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Early trends for Millenials and young Gen X has them not getting more conservative as they are aging, or at least substantially less so than older generations.

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Because they don’t have the same generational wealth.

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Fuck we don’t even have wealth…

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So then wealth, not age, makes you conservative.

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I believe it’s because there’s no reasonable conservative option. There’s nobody even pitching “fiscal responsibility” or “small government” anymore. You’ve gotta drink the Kool aid and support The Donald or you’re a liberal cuck. There’s no room for being just right-leaning; you’ve gotta go all in.

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Gen Xer here, I’ve never seen a republican led federal government that ever actually acted fiscally conservative. Being fiscally conservative and small government has always meant cut social programs and cut taxes but never cut spending to one of the biggest cost centers in the government, the military. There’s nothing fiscally conservative about cutting taxes and ballooning the deficit. There’s nothing fiscally conservative about starting two wars and essentially putting them on credit cards. The American people only put up with them for so long because the only ones who had to sacrifice for them were those that died or came back maimed. If we had to pay for them with higher taxes instead of passing the bill to the next few generations, those wars would never have even happened.

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That’s a good theory, as a lot of the people we see joining up for the right are usually either doing it out of spite/ironically (and eventually having the “be careful what you pretend to be” moment where it stops being ironic) or they’ve been grown and raised around these worldviews.

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That was my first though.

breaking news: impossibly wealthy people vote for tax cuts and reduction in social services

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Wealth yes, but the age thing might be a myth. It turns out that people solidify their political leanings during major movements. The older generation just happen to be affected by Reaganism and Nixons southern strategy.

The most conservative leaning generation are not boomers or silver generation, but apparently Gen X.

Edit: I posted some sources in replies below.

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There also seems to be a bit of weirdness even surrounding what “conservative” means. It used to mean an intent toward preservation of certain existing institutions/trends and preexisting stability, with a distrust for new institutions that may upset existing social calm. Which often is at odds with beneficial change but isn’t inherently against it, favoring instead that it be slow and precise. When I think of myself as conservative that’s the concept I have.

The problem is that “conservative” now can also include a group of people for which preserving an existing state (as in condition/mode of being ) is no longer acceptable, the demand either a reverse or entirely new directions.

As an example that’s a little less hot button - vouchers for private schools. That’s an active novelty and a change from an existing institution, rife with potential long-term impacts on both culture and stability that could be negative, and yet some positions push for it (often without addressing those problems). That’s not a conservative position. That’s a progressive one (maybe not in the direction someone on the left would want obviously).

Conservative got irrevocably linked with Right due to some preexisting social constructs and the urge to preserve them, but realistically it should hold just as well that a conservative would seek to preserve left-wing establishments as much as right-wing ones, or at least advise any changes to them be slow and incremental to avoid pop-up problems. Admittedly things like technology complicate that due to the speed with which it changes and demands response.

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If you cannot understand how conservatism would LOVE to conserve the racism and rapant capitalism of the US… You might not actually understand what “conservatives” actually want to conserve…

It’s the social order of things where they’re on top. They’ve literally always been supremacists. Just not necessarily openly bigoted ones.

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While I bet there’s exceptions what has been the general trend for conservative is that they are pleased with the status quo. They are on top and therefore don’t want things to change. When you’re not satisfied you tend to not be as patient. It also help to lack empathy for people not as lucky. Considering that you, commendably, can see the need for change you obviously belong to a different group.

What is new is that the once who call themselves conservative now instead strive to change things due to a lack of control. They want to go back to the point where they feel they had control, power, and privilege over others.

And when a group of people who lacks empathy want to take back power it can get dangerous very fast. Suck as January 6:th…

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Yeah, that sounds wrong to me, too. Gen X are the ones who grew up with the effects of Reaganomics and witnessed first-hand the wealth disparity it created.

This is from 2018, but I seriously doubt attitudes towards Trump and Republicans have shifted to the right that much in the last five years: https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2018/03/01/the-generation-gap-in-american-politics/

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I’ve read this many times, and heard it discussed on Five Thirty Eight. On a quick search, here’s one Politico article discussing it.

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Dude. Ice Cube has always been “fuck you got mine.” People are only just now noticing?

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this. coming into money doesn’t change who you are. It magnifies who you’ve always been. Sure, people can change, but it isn’t the money doing it.

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While I bet that it goes faster if you already lacked empathy there is research that indicate that coming into money makes you less empathetic.

And then of course there’s also the exceptions, like Keanu Reeves and Brendan Fraser (from what I’ve heard at least).

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the change in empathy has more to do with the change in social circumstances than it does a change in personality. This is part of what I mean by it magnifies who you really are. You see, when you’re poor you need the help of others- be it welfare, or more social assistance (parents watching kids, etc) you need that help.
So, you tend to give assistance with the expectation of social reciprocity.

It’s social reciprocity at play here… when you become rich, you don’t need to rely on it, so you don’t. Epitomy of “Got mine, fuck you”

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A German Black rapper (Sam Deluxe) once said: “as a black person you can’t really choose your political opinion freely, because one side only wants you out of the country.” Many join the left because it means protection.

I think parts of hiphop culture fits quite well to a conservative worldview when it comes to money, masculinity and the role of women.

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Ice cube is an anti Semitic piece of shit. Of course he siding with the Right, they’re anti Semites too.

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Is he really antisemitic or is he opposing the zion genocide? (I really don’t know)

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I suggest skipping to the last paragraph if you don’t think the main subject of the article is antisemitic enough.

https://www.billboard.com/music/rb-hip-hop/ice-cube-criticized-anti-semitic-images-conspiracy-theories-9400472/

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He’s a nation of Islam cult member. He’s a full-on anti-Semitic bigot.

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