I mean… Well I’ll start with I have a bit of a conspiracy theory
So old white men ran the record industry when rap got hot. Clear channel and the top record companies can make anyone a star. Notice the over arching ideals and values they prop up
Much like the CIA released crack on minorities. Record companies released drugs addiction, gang banging, spending frivolously via glamorization On minorities
Always felt like minorities were being fed values that lead to failure. This is a continuation.
Or because many of these rappers came from poor and violent areas, where drug addiction, gang banging, and frivolous spending was what they knew
But why continue to sell destructive concepts to their people once they make it. But yeah it’s a conspiracy level thought.
Except that a lot of early and grass-roots rap railed against those things, but that wasn’t what got large scale commercial backing in the long run
Can you suggest me songs from the early days that does this? I’ve always hated how much rap songs glorify those things.
I think it has to do with the fact that the left is actively hostile towards men, to the point where men go conservative.
It’s one of those “it hurt itself in its confusion” type situations, and that’s coming from a leftist.
I mean, this is just turning into a “he said, she said” sort of deal. What are they saying that you feel personally associates with and cannot be separated from being male?
Personally I’ve never grown up feeling like people hated me just for being male, whether it was from the left or the right.
I cannot remember a time that anyone on the left was hostile to me for being male. On the other hand, I’ve been called things like “pussy” and “beta cuck” by people on the right just for my political positions and that seems a hell of a lot more hostile to my masculinity than anyone on the left has ever been to me.
I think you’re just assuming that when people talk about patriarchy, they’re talking about maleness, which shows a total misunderstanding of the issue and the problem.
I’m male and hang around exclusively left wing groups with very opiates feminists and I’ve never felt like I was out of place, hated, vilified or unwanted.
Are you sure you’re not just being an argumentative asshole? Because if you take personal offense to things like male privilege being acknowledged and make comments like these, I can see why people might not wa to be involved with you.
I mean, it’s not untrue either. Here 58% of the students who completed their masters degree last year are women, yet the vast majority of the gender quota based bonus points still go to women. And then there is a group that claims this is still not enough progress - it seems they are more interested in revenge than equality. So I can certainly see how some men get the impression that “the left is not for them”.
I’m sorry… what? It’s the left’s fault that women are getting more masters degrees than men?
Apart from anything else, isn’t that suggesting that men getting more masters degrees than women is some sort of natural state? I’d like evidence for that one.
High rate of male suicide, high adoption of men in far right ideology. Why do you think that is? Because every other male than you is a weak specimen and you’re such a renaissance man?
Also your statement was anecdotal and dismissive, so we’ll scratch the renaissance part.
So you’re saying a high male adoption into far right ideology correlating with high male suicide shows…
Democrats are to blame?
You may want to get your logic chip checked out. No wonder you have these beliefs.
Edit: and you trying to be toxic by insulting my manliness isn’t going to win any support for your cause.
and that’s coming from a leftist.
That has some strong “fellow kids” vibes.
I mean, you just pushed a ridiculous - and completely, stupidly untrue - myth about the left hating men, and then pretended to be a leftist to lend supposed credibility to that absurdity. What did you expect in response? A bunch of left-leaning men - like me - going, “Y’know, it’s true, I totally hate men” or something?
There’s definitely a subset of people on the left who are outright hostile to men in general… but they’re a barely vocal minority. Anyone who leans right because of them was already halfway there, and was just using them as an excuse to dive headfirst instead of dipping a toe in.
I mean I see no reason not to paint the left with a broad brush based on their worst considering they’re chomping at the bit to do the same.
Even if that were true, what does that accomplish other than continuing a cycle of increasingly volatile reactionary aggression? Why not be the bigger person, unless you don’t actually want to better society and just want to be “right”.
Wealth makes people more likely to be conservative, as does age.
The poor young man who recorded Fuck tha Police is a very different person to the multi-millionaire media star being interviewed on Fox.
Early trends for Millenials and young Gen X has them not getting more conservative as they are aging, or at least substantially less so than older generations.
I believe it’s because there’s no reasonable conservative option. There’s nobody even pitching “fiscal responsibility” or “small government” anymore. You’ve gotta drink the Kool aid and support The Donald or you’re a liberal cuck. There’s no room for being just right-leaning; you’ve gotta go all in.
Gen Xer here, I’ve never seen a republican led federal government that ever actually acted fiscally conservative. Being fiscally conservative and small government has always meant cut social programs and cut taxes but never cut spending to one of the biggest cost centers in the government, the military. There’s nothing fiscally conservative about cutting taxes and ballooning the deficit. There’s nothing fiscally conservative about starting two wars and essentially putting them on credit cards. The American people only put up with them for so long because the only ones who had to sacrifice for them were those that died or came back maimed. If we had to pay for them with higher taxes instead of passing the bill to the next few generations, those wars would never have even happened.
That’s a good theory, as a lot of the people we see joining up for the right are usually either doing it out of spite/ironically (and eventually having the “be careful what you pretend to be” moment where it stops being ironic) or they’ve been grown and raised around these worldviews.
Wealth yes, but the age thing might be a myth. It turns out that people solidify their political leanings during major movements. The older generation just happen to be affected by Reaganism and Nixons southern strategy.
The most conservative leaning generation are not boomers or silver generation, but apparently Gen X.
Edit: I posted some sources in replies below.
There also seems to be a bit of weirdness even surrounding what “conservative” means. It used to mean an intent toward preservation of certain existing institutions/trends and preexisting stability, with a distrust for new institutions that may upset existing social calm. Which often is at odds with beneficial change but isn’t inherently against it, favoring instead that it be slow and precise. When I think of myself as conservative that’s the concept I have.
The problem is that “conservative” now can also include a group of people for which preserving an existing state (as in condition/mode of being ) is no longer acceptable, the demand either a reverse or entirely new directions.
As an example that’s a little less hot button - vouchers for private schools. That’s an active novelty and a change from an existing institution, rife with potential long-term impacts on both culture and stability that could be negative, and yet some positions push for it (often without addressing those problems). That’s not a conservative position. That’s a progressive one (maybe not in the direction someone on the left would want obviously).
Conservative got irrevocably linked with Right due to some preexisting social constructs and the urge to preserve them, but realistically it should hold just as well that a conservative would seek to preserve left-wing establishments as much as right-wing ones, or at least advise any changes to them be slow and incremental to avoid pop-up problems. Admittedly things like technology complicate that due to the speed with which it changes and demands response.
If you cannot understand how conservatism would LOVE to conserve the racism and rapant capitalism of the US… You might not actually understand what “conservatives” actually want to conserve…
It’s the social order of things where they’re on top. They’ve literally always been supremacists. Just not necessarily openly bigoted ones.
While I bet there’s exceptions what has been the general trend for conservative is that they are pleased with the status quo. They are on top and therefore don’t want things to change. When you’re not satisfied you tend to not be as patient. It also help to lack empathy for people not as lucky. Considering that you, commendably, can see the need for change you obviously belong to a different group.
What is new is that the once who call themselves conservative now instead strive to change things due to a lack of control. They want to go back to the point where they feel they had control, power, and privilege over others.
And when a group of people who lacks empathy want to take back power it can get dangerous very fast. Suck as January 6:th…
I’ve read this many times, and heard it discussed on Five Thirty Eight. On a quick search, here’s one Politico article discussing it.
Yeah, that sounds wrong to me, too. Gen X are the ones who grew up with the effects of Reaganomics and witnessed first-hand the wealth disparity it created.
This is from 2018, but I seriously doubt attitudes towards Trump and Republicans have shifted to the right that much in the last five years: https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2018/03/01/the-generation-gap-in-american-politics/
“Why have rappers who have always been edgey and anti-establishment supporting an edgey political party that (pretends to be) anti-establishment?”
Ice cube is an anti Semitic piece of shit. Of course he siding with the Right, they’re anti Semites too.
Is he really antisemitic or is he opposing the zion genocide? (I really don’t know)
I suggest skipping to the last paragraph if you don’t think the main subject of the article is antisemitic enough.
