Politics Comm can’t understand why people don’t like Harris running right at every opportunity. Must just be bad actors wanting trump to win cause they’re critical. Or just upset DNC is sprinting right after convention
I don’t want Trump to win and that’s why I’m not voting for Harris, since she’s functionally identical to Trump.
At this point you can expect the democrats to do something utterly deranged like put Trump in the cabinet as an Ultimate Display of Bipartisanship so yeah I’m not voting for the party that will literally put republicans in office
There is in fact an argument to be made that since Trump is so fucking lazy and senile he’ll do less harm because he’ll be capable of less things in general
Fuck just look at the numbers on Trump vs. Biden when it comes to deportations, new oil well approvals, military budget, etc.
There is no better option, there is no lesser evil between the two. Both party are the same evil with a different presentation.
How is a Harris win better for Gaza? You peoples can never explain this. You take for granted that the Democrats are always less bad no matter what they do and try to force this assumption onto everyone else by trying to force discussions to start from this assumption, so that you don’t have to talk about it. And whenever someone doesn’t bite and insist that you showing evidence that the Dems are less bad than the Reps, you get angry, rant about Trump, try ad-hoc explanation to try to hanwave away the very bad things the Dems are openly doing and when that still doesn’t work you try to handwave away every arguments against you by calling us trolls or bots or secret Trump supporters.
If you had any leg to stand on there, you obviously wouldn’t be doing that. Because all you would have to do is to point out to us your evidences that the Democrats are less evil than the Republicans.
But since you don’t have any, the only way for you to “win” that argument is to lash out and come up with ad-hoc explanations as to why arguments against you thesis have to be wrong by default without having to think about the arguments themselves.
You fucking idiots keep stumbling in here trying to browbeat people into voting for genocidal psychopaths. Fuck off.
You’d at least pretend to oppose it when he does it, instead of trying to run interference for him like you’re doing now.
Person 1: “I bombed your house and killed your family!”
Person 2: “I will 100% bomb your house and kill your family if given the chance!”
Person 3: “I agree with person 1!”
Biden, Trump, Harris in that order.
There is no difference. You keep saying “better.” We keep saying there is no better. I suggest reading and comprehending instead of re-asking the same question.
The best case for Gaza is Harris taking a serious stand against sending weapons to Israel in order to court the many voters who have expressed that support of a genocide is a deal breaker. That won’t happen without people protesting the policies of this administration and making it clear that they won’t accept this.
Gaza protestors aren’t focusing on how they’re withholding their votes from Trump because they weren’t going to vote for Trump in the first place so there is no leverage.
Is this a Nazi troll or Hasbara… oh. Same thing.
Or really really shitty joke/sarcasm with absolutely zero tone indicators if it is.
Donald who? Is Trump RIGHT NOW at this exact moment in charge of signing off on funds and arms to Israel? This is absolute yes or no. All answers that aren’t yes or no are invalid for this one. Does Trump have actual power to end aid or continue approving it? [let me help: the answer is “no”)
Therefore if you are seeking to get me to vote for Joe or Kamala (keep trying!) you should stick on to the meaningful politics we currently exist in. One in which Joe Biden is president. He can control if Israel receives aid. The president has broad, broad, almost 100% discretion when it comes to arming “allies.” Note the weapons Saudi Arabia, Ukraine, and Israel all receive. Note that they are not all the same! Some of this stuff is negotiated with Congress, between parties, in the DoD (which the president is commander of), but ultimately when it comes down to it congress passes funding -> the president executes the laws/funding, whatever via delegated powers to their cabinet and dept heads. But the president ultimately holds all this power. In theory and in practice as far as we can all see.
So if Kamala, who has been virtually silent besides some “empathetic” phrase changes since Oct 2023, wants me, her potential voter, to believe she represents the end of genocide and apartheid in Palestine she needs to articulate ways in which Biden was/is wrong, ways in which she differs from him, and sure here you go, you’ve waited for it soooo long! How she’s different from Trump too. Spoiler: Trump = Biden on the subject of Palestine. Maybe Trump will say “we love genocide, don’t we folks?” While he approves bombe. Who gives a shit what he says, that’s liberal dogshit, the results are exactly the fucking same.
If Kamala Harris wants to stop being the same as Biden here’s the obvious thing she’s known for almost a year: say openly that Biden must immediately stop arming and funding Israel. Israel is committing a genocide (hey, I’ll let her weasel with “might be- so we have to investigate”). The US must cooperate directly with the UN to immediately take action, militarily if necessary (and it is necessary) to restrain the IOF from further bloodshed and destabilization.
All of that is like “no shit!” tip of the iceberg no fucking brainer kindergarteners could figure it out. “These Nazi people have been displacing and genociding these other people for how many decades? Uh, maybe STOP HELPING THE NAZIS???”
You are in favor, apparently, of helping the Nazis shred more baby skulls though.
You need to immediately rethink your entire pathetic life if you are ok with thousands of innocents dying. You are coping. You are deluded by the liberal circus you are engulfed in. You need to get out of it before the tap runs out and you’re forced into a harsh cold turkey situation where the cope is gone, the party is over, and you have no fucking clue where you are or what’s going on.
Genuine question here, how many babies would Biden/Harris need to help murder before you would stop wanting to vote for them. A million? 10 million? And you keep saying Trump would be worse but Biden has repeatedly said he considers himself an honorary Zionist and there is seemingly zero daylight between his position and Kamala.
This Fantasy perfect response is to… *stop arming a genocidal state. *
All your accomplishing here is the expression that you just don’t think Palestinians are really human. Perhaps you don’t think they’re animals, but they’re just complete non-entities in your mind.
If your reality as you perceive it is the same as ours, that our government is enabling genocide, then this is a government that is deeply evil. And in your learned helplessness and political impotence, your lack of imagination and will to change things beyond standing in line to cast a vote and thinking “I did my part”, you scold people for not wanting to vote for the Democrat.
Sorry, but Harris is the best case scenario for Gaza.
Incorrect. Claudia De La Cruz, Jill Stein, and other candidates are firmly anti-genocide, unlike Harris who is pro-genocide.
Donald “Muslim Ban” Trump will help make the current situation in Gaza look quaint.
What, materially, would he do that the DNC isn’t already doing?
find it really odd that protesters in the U.S. absolutely refuse to discuss Trump -who still has a good chance of winning- in terms of Gaza.
Trump isn’t President. None of us here want Trump either, both Kamala and Trump are aligned on being pro-genocide, therefore neither is an option.
s to the degree that I firmly believe protest leadership is less about helping Gaza and more about disenfranchising Democrats.
The Democrats need to be disenfranchised if they continue to support genocide. Taking a pro-genocide stance like the DNC is a bad thing and should be punished.
And to all those who sputter, “it’s Biden/Harris paying Israel”, I say this: U.S. has been supporting Israel for 80 years and that includes the Trump administration.
Correct. Death to America, the world will not be free from the tyranny of the American Empire until it collapses.
“Trump shit my pants”
Trump is the new hitler for liberals. A scapegoat they can wash off all their sins on. The jesus of evil.
I can only express my hatred for you and every genocidal liberal worm through this song
I hope it stays dark forever
I hope the worst isn’t over
I hope that you blink before I do
And I hope I never get sober
And I hope when you think of me years down the line you can’t find one good thing to say
And I hope that if I had the strength to walk out you’d stay the hell out of my way
I am drowning
There is no sign of land
You are coming down with me
Hand in unlovable hand
And I hope you die
I hope we both die
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
That thread is so painful.
It’s always the same. Down to the well actually here’s why turning it into glass is worse than just starving them like comments.
These idiots would rather burn to death than get out of a house if a ‘tanky’ said the house was on fire
I’m speaking Libs turned that shit into a meme. Kids dying and… Fuck this pisses me off
How many thousands of women and children were simply LIVING in their homes when Israel voluntarily and with full knowledge of their civilian presence dropped a 1,000lb JDAM on them to eliminate a singular HAMAS target or two?
Look I’m voting for Harris but I really, really dislike how she goes into explicit detail on the events of October 7th but doesn’t go into explicit detail on Palestinians crushed, decapitated, blown in half or to bits by explosives, maimed, shot, and yes sometimes raped by IDF. This double-standard of evocative imagery is in itself pretty disturbing.
this boils my blood
Tbf he would get banned if he didn’t add that to his comment. Even I do it sometimes on Lib subs even though I’m not American.
What are you arguing for, then? If you give them a pass to still vote for Kamala then your rhetoric causes no material change. Just eat the ban at that point.
