Incase anyone tells you that lemmy.ml is not a tankie instance.

249 points

Look, NATO is bad, that’s why it’s absolutely necessary for anti-imperialism purposes that Russia invades its neighbors before they can get into NATO!

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Which works about as good as rhe war on terror

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“Bro just one more invasion bro I swear this time it’ll really solve terrorism Western Imperialism™ for good!”

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2 points

Problem is, Russia is technically in the west.

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I am still amazed at the 12 dimensional chess thought process of invading a country that didn’t join NATO to discourage joining NATO. All that socialized vodka in the maternity ward must be getting out of hand.

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2 points

This is logic amped up to 11 right here, folks.

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162 points

I’d be glad if NATO didn’t exist.

It would mean countries wouldn’t feel threatened by their neighbors, and no invasions would happen.

But until that is the case, NATO is necessary.

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I would much prefer every country in the planet being in NATO.

Any country attacks any other country? Literally the whole world goes to defend it. So no invasions are possible.

It wouldn’t work though. Wouldn’t take much time for alliances to form that agree to not follow NATO’S rules.

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Nah, I want war. I want the rest of the world to go to war with the US. They’ve got a Nazi problem. We beat the Nazis in 1945 and we might need to beat them again in 2045.

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11 points

My brother in freedom, we first need to make sure the US and all of our big shiny weapons are on the side against the Nazis. I think we have a good shot at it, but it’s not a guarantee.

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Lmfao who’s the warmonger now?

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My brother in freedom, we first need to make sure the US and all of our big shiny weapons are on the side against the Nazis. I think we have a good shot at it, but it’s not a guarantee.

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-32 points

Nato already does not enforce their mission against the US and US backed vassel states

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Nato already does not enforce their mission against the US and US backed vassel states

When did the US invade a member of NATO, again?

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22 points

I’d like your comment more if it said: “I’d be glad if NATO didn’t have to exist”

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And I’d like your comment more if it said “Ricky is the bestest person on all of the world” but we can’t all have what we want.

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3 points

Are you my hundred year old Jewish great uncle? How’d you get on here?

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Every species has weapons embedded into its body, some organisms are specialized members of the species, such as queens and babies, but all species spend a portion of their precious energy budget building weapons.

Given how ruthlessly evolution prunes out anything that doesn’t give an advantage, I think this gives significant information about the nature of existence.

Hostility appears to be as universal as entropy, and just as manageable.

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11 points

Fun fact. Being the most complex object in the known universe. The human brain is the lowest entropy place we know…

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1 point

The most complex object in the universe … according to the brain.

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2 points

Life feeds on life

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bologna_massacre#False_leads

NATO isn’t there to defend you, it’s there to serve the interests of a bunch of rulers and elites

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That might be hard to grasp but sometimes the interests or rulers and elites do align to some degree with the average person in their country. Most rich and powerful people have a lot of investments that are worth significantly less when unpredictable things such as invasions happen that disrupt trade.

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-27 points

Humanity is literally on the verge of extinction due to global warming and you still believe rulers gives a single shit to anything that isn’t money or power? War is a business.

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39 points

Believe it or not, both things can be true

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14 points

Stuff can be two things!

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Did you even read any of the link posted?

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11 points

I mean the rulers and elites live in the same countries as many of us do and they sure as shit don’t want war where they live. It might not be here to defend us, but it’s here to defend the countries we live in.

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-8 points

War is a business and a tool to get more power. Rulers and elites cares about money and wealth they don’t give a fuck about the planet or peasants. Just look around yourself

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-9 points

I can’t hear you with that imperialist cock brushing against your tonsils.

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137 points

Sure I’m a NATO apologist: I’m sorry NATO is necessary because Russia is such an antagonistic fuckwad.

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30 points

Russia had a choice: play by the west’s rules, or play second fiddle to China. They chose the latter unfortunately for them and for us.

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That’s just what happens when you go from tsarist serfdom state to a communist peasant regime to a “democractic” dictatorship while constantly greasing the gears with vodka and corruption.

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5 points

Hey at least the alcoholism has gotten a little bit better, right?

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11 points

Actual quote from Vladimir Putin:

Dear NATO, we regret being imperialist bastards. We regret coming to Ukraine. And we most definitely regret that the VMSU just blew up our raggedy-ass fleet!

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Oorah! Lol.

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The world was deeply afraid of Marxism. When Russia experienced a workers-led revolution in 1917, Western powers were terrified of the spread of Marxist ideas and the potential threat they posed to the capitalist world order. In response, several Western states, along with their client states, sent their armies into Russia, aiming to overthrow the newly established worker-run government under the Bolsheviks. We attacked first, in an effort to suppress a system we feared.

This antagonism continued and evolved over the decades, culminating in the Cold War, where tensions between the Soviet Union and the West defined global politics. The Cuban Missile Crisis stands out as a key moment in this conflict. In fact, it was the United States that, in violation of international norms and against the Geneva Convention, installed nuclear launch sites along Russia’s borders in Turkey, heightening the threat and contributing to the Soviet response of placing missiles in Cuba.

Historically, it’s clear that we have been antagonistic towards Russia, driven by a fear of communism and a desire to maintain Western dominance. This pattern of confrontation has had long-lasting effects on the geopolitical landscape, contributing to the strained relations that persist today.

Dont take my word for this stuff, you can easily find information online, in text books.

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Not to defend Western European imperialism in Russia because fuck that but no one did more to destroy the newly established worker-run government than the Bolsheviks. I’m assuming you’re a ML–unfortunately they don’t allow factual discussions of history, so you’ll need to read some history outside of the thought bubble to learn the truth.

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Trotskyist, so all up for discussion and challenging my understanding. Point me in the direction.

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118 points

Gentle reminder that blocking the entire Lemmy.ml instance has made this place a lot less … tankie

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Can you do that yet without your instance just entirely defederating?

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Yes. Go to: settings > blocks > scroll down

At the end of the page, below your blocked users and communities, there is a list of instances, which you blocked. You can add instances there aswell.

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10 points

Thank you for this

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Please be aware that user-level instance blocking is not the same as instance-level defederation. User-level instance blocking is equivalent to blocking all the communities from that instance. AFAIK you’ll still see posts and comments from the blocked instance in other communities. More problematically, the blocked instance still influences your feed via its votes.

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I’m using thunder, on mobile. All I know is I am on lemmy.world, any idea how to modify what instances I am connected to with that?

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17 points

Sync has it as an app option, and several of the apps I was using prior to sync had something similar.

This has vastly improved my experience on Lemmy’s Top 6 Hours

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4 points

Hey that’s my go to default sort as well.

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3 points

Thunder has it too

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No. User-level instance blocking is not the same as instance-level defederation. User-level instance blocking is equivalent to blocking all the communities from that instance. AFAIK you’ll still see posts and comments from the blocked instance in other communities. More problematically, the blocked instance still influences your feed via its votes.

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5 points

Most apps have a instance block in the settings.

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Ah yes, that paragon of leftist virtue…

…*checks notes*…

Muammar Gaddafi?

And they wonder why they don’t get taken seriously.

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The point is not that Gaddafi was a leftist, but that NATO is an evil imperialistic offensive organisation that overthrows governments

Of course Libya was never a NATO mission, was done by two countries (I include the UK as part of the USA at this point) that certainly could have coordinated even if NATO did not exist. France has always been the most NATO sceptical country in the union as well.

Oh and let’s not forget that blaming NATO allows them to forget the real reason France got involved there. But why would they want to distract people away from Sarkozy and his neoimperialism? Let me check what’s he got to say about Ukraine… Yup, checks out

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Yeah my money is on the 60.000.000€ (IIRC) Sarko illegally got for his electoral campaign from Gadaffi (donations and such are very regulated in France and that was clearly very illegal), and then Gadaffi started to get vocal about it… … and then suddenly he got caught bu French forces and oupsie daisy boom.

Nothing to do with NATO.

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