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Getting the old gang back together! Too bad Russia is on the other side this time.

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They’ve always been “that acquaintance”.

You only know each other for mutual benefit or a mutual friend, but when that’s gone, there becomes literally no reason to hang out any more.

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Considering Russia’s past performance in naval warfare in the Pacific, we’re probably better off without them.

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Getting the old gang back together!

Germany, Japan, and Italy?

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I don’t mean to pick on you specifically with this comment, but good lord people, there’s more to history than WW2. Anytime anyone tries to make a historical reference to current events it’s awkwardly shoehorned into a WW2 framework. It drives me crazy. Anyway, sorry for the rant there. No, it’s an older gang. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scramble_for_China

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Ah, you’re talking about colonialism. You’re going to have a hard time finding anti-colonialists on Lemmy, unfortunately.

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Russia was always on another side. The Ribbentrop Pact was a weak, untrusting handshake between two barbaric regimes with mutual hatred and a shared realization it would be easier to go rape and pillage more peaceful people instead of each other.

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Please see my reply to UnderpantsWeevil

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The fact that Russia was ever on the winning side given their history was a fluke.

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Eh, they were also instrumental in defeating Napoleon, which counts for a lot.

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you mean the nazi gang?

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2024 - 22 = 2002.
So probably not nazis. No.

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Could we stop making the international tensions? Provoking each other?

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The alternative is to let certain countries de facto claim a region because others are too afraid to call them on their BS

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You do realise that Taipei’s territorial claims are exactly the same as those of Beijing. I know the western media never bother to mention it because it doesn’t align with the approved narrative but Taiwan claims the very same nine dash line as China.

To this day, Taiwan remains firm in its claims to the South China Sea. They have been historically justified on the basis that, as there was no United Nations Convention of the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS) in existence in 1947, it was legitimate for the ROC to claim the South China Sea territories and waters based on the historical connections of these with China. According to the Institute for National Defense and Security Research (INDSR), a Taiwanese think tank, there was no legal impediment to the claim in 1947 and, for a long period, there were no challenges to the ROC’s claims from other countries.[4] They were largely ignored – except by the People’s Republic of China (PRC), which concurred with them.

https://www.thechinastory.org/taiwans-south-china-sea/

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Tank(ie) you for sharing your opinion!

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Dude, I love China and its people and have been there several times. I obviously don’t approve of everything but some of the funniest, most kindhearted people on Earth are in China. I’m not sure there’s a place on Earth I’d rather have a meal with some regular citizens.

But just follow The United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea. Taipei can be wrong too. But those laws took like centuries of stupid wars and, ultimately, diplomacy, to establish. Even if you want to change them, it’ll require diplomacy and cooperation, not hosing down some Filipino fishermen.

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you do realize that’s only because the CPR would never accept a end to the civil war with the independence of Taiwan?

The only reason Taiwan hasn’t abandoned their claims yet is because that would mean they say they’re independent, and that would lead to a certain invasion attempt by the CPR

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I know the western media never bother to mention it because it doesn’t align with the approved narrative

How to say “I’m not worth listening to” without saying it.

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I claim a small corner of your livingroom as my property.

Please don’t make this tense or provoke me.

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And I am going to load that corner full of guns pointed at your family.

But don’t be a dick and raise a fuss about it.

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excellent comment. cracked a smile.

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As soon as Chinese “fishing vessels” aren’t armed and won’t turn their transponders off to sneak into territorial waters

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Has China stopped making ownership claims to waters and lands beyond their borders?

Does China operate international police stations to police their citizens across the globe?

Maybe China should act right and follow the same treaties as the rest of the planet.

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Lol and the US does nothing of these? Puerto Rico, Hawaii and so on was just always American?

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Hi, it’s now 2024. To the best of my knowledge the independence movements of Puerto Rico and Hawaii are currently minimal (not non-existent, but even Texas has some weirdo secessionists). While the circumstances of those territories becoming a part of the US may be dicey, “our ancestors made a mistake” isn’t really a good reason to cut those places away entirely if modern-day people generally wish to keep the current arrangement.

Taiwan, on the other hand, generally wishes to remain independent from China. False equivalence.

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The most hated map on lemmy.world

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I agree, that’s why China should drop all territorial claims for Taiwan

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But doesn’t Taiwan consider itself the real and “royal” China? That’s what I’ve always been told. Or have they dropped that claim?

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They don’t have any plans to enforce it violently though, while China is planning for a “cross-strait unification” (basically just invading Taiwan).

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There would be outrage if China sailed warships through the Baltic and North seas, or the Gulf of Mexico and Caribbean sea. Or if China had a strong military presence in Russia, Belarus, Cuba, and Venezuela etc.

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Would it though? They did sail in baltics and the gulf

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Baltic and North seas, or the Gulf of Mexico and Caribbean sea

None of these are contested territories. Chinese vessels go there all the time and nobody really cares.

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That you think there would be outrage highlights your lack of understanding.

International waters are just so. It’s only a problem when a country decides to try and restrict access to international waters, and one way to show that this decision is not accepted is to sail warships through it.

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