Donald Trump’s running mate JD Vance has dug in on his claim Haitians in an Ohio community are abducting and eating pets, even as the state’s GOP governor and other officials insist there is no evidence of such behavior.

But the salacious claim was easily debunked.

“The Vance campaign provided the Wall Street Journal with a police report to prove their claims about cat-eating Haitians in Springfield. The WSJ spoke to the woman who filed it, who said she later found her cat alive and well in her basement. She also apologized to her Haitian neighbors.” Justin Baragona posted to X with a link to a story in The Wall Street Journal.


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143 points

And here we are, over a week after the debate. They’re still harping on Haitian immigrants in 1 town, while Harris is blazing up the campaign trail, yet polls are still concerningly close.

This is how scary this election is becoming

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As I recall, in terms of the electoral college, neither Biden nor Harris have, at any point, been projected to beat Trump. It’s not “becoming” scary, it’s been scary for quite some time.

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There’s no one single model doing projections.

Five Thirty Eight’s, which is one prominent one, has favored Harris somewhat for a while.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2024-election-forecast/

Harris wins 64 times out of 100

in our simulations of the 2024 presidential election.

Trump wins 36 times out of 100.

There is a less than 1-in-100 chance of no Electoral College winner.

Nate Silver – who started Five Thirty Eight and is now off doing his own thing and runs a fork of the model that Five Thirty Eight used to run – had them, last I looked, had Harris and Trump at about about even chances.

Both Silver’s model and Five Thirty Eight’s model agreed that the debate improved Harris’s chances.

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Important to note that Nate Silver works for Peter Theil, who has donated heavily to Trump pacs, and is responsible for giving us JD Vance.

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Just a clarification, Silver doesn’t run a fork of the old 538 model. He took the model with him. 538 developed their own after he left.

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Crazy that is already 60% instead of 64% since you posted this. No deeper comment there other than just noting how fluid this election is. We are one Harris mistake (and remember, mistake tolerance for Harris is significantly lower than Trump; Trump is basically one long series of mistakes that has little effect on his numbers; if Harris mispronounces Gaza once she loses 5%), one unexpected event, one butterfly-wing flap from those numbers going to even or worse.

40% of the time Trump wins. 40% of the time, an authoritarian leader assumes the presidency of the most powerful country in the world.

I stand by my statement that no Harris supporter should feel confident or comfortable. That’s… frighteningly high.

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Five-thirty-eight is a joke. Who did Five-thirty-eight project to win in 2016? Yeah.
Who did professor Allan Lichtman predict to win in 2016? The winner! He uses a strange science technique that have retrospectively lined up with presidential winners since 1860. He has an impressive tract record of ten successful predictions - note he predicted Gore in 2000 but there is very persuasive evidence that Gore actually did win had the vote counts been honestly counted. Hence the Brooks Brothers riot that threw the election to the Supreme Court.
Republicans are now positioning for that to happen again in 2024.

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Also a great example of how fact checking fascists is completely ineffective. Platforming a fascist via a debate does nothing other than legitimize their viewpoints.

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I can’t believe how fucking racist this country is. 20 years ago if a candidate did this, they’d be given the kiss of death by the media and made to drop out.

Hell Howard Dean lost because he screamed funny. This is abhorrent.

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Hell Howard Dean lost because he screamed funny.

Dean was already losing. The scream perhaps was the final nail in the coffin.

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3 points

Are polls still done by landline?

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We need a political game show akin to “Name that Tune” but called “Dubunk that Claim”.

A disclaimer appears at the start of the show and after each commercial break reminding viewers that all claims presented are false.

Contestants hear each claim and buzz in with how many statements they need to debunk the claim and then prove it false. The goal is to debunk the claim in as few statements as possible.

Winner gets bragging rights, and we all win.

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So a gameshow that has endless material just based on the last 10 years. I like the title Debunk that Trump

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandolini’s_law

We always lose when engaging with these people

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2 points

We just need to move people who believe shit like this to another version of the planet.

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1 point

you’re so close

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What proof? The other day he literally said he created the story https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/jd-vance-make-up-pet-eating-story-haitian-rcna171326

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Yes, but now he’s lying again

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*creating again

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I want to know when that report was filed. “I can’t find my cat, therefore my Haitian neighbors stole it to eat” is the kind of statement dreamed up by the utterly deranged, unless the idea was already in the water supply because a vice presidential candidate was saying it in interviews ahead of a national debate.

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This shitshow of an election is really getting on my nerves. This is not news, this is garbage speak out of a garbage person. And I have to read all these garbage headlines here because it is very much possibe that these garbage people will get elected. How low can you sink, america?

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I have a set of uBlock Origin filters I turn on in the “my filters” tab when this garbage gets too exhausting.

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Replace with your Lemmy instance domain and keywords of your choice!

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Aren’t you worried about accidentally blocking information about Bob Vance, Vance Refrigeration?

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2 points

It’s a risk I’m willing to take!

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11 points

I went to a bar with some cousins last night and the Tigers game was on some of the TVs. Half the commercials were political ads. There was no sound and CC wasn’t on but sweet Jesus I was so sick of it. I’m trying to avoid watching sports in general just because it’s gonna be nothing but the same crap for the next 2 months

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…and the text messages, and the canvassers, and the snail mails, and the billboards (if you live where they are allowed), and and and.

Wish it would all just go away, I’ll vote how I want despite all the waste of media.

Politicians should get some sanctioned debates and interviews on CSPAN and that’s it.

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It’s all because the US has a never ending election.

For a lot of countries, the average election campaign is 30 days.

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This is how Nazi Germany happened and we’re blindly walking right into it.

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JD Vance is a lying worthless being.

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