dumb cars will be worth their weight in gold soon
right before the used car market exploded i got my manual Subaru for $3400 when it was worth about 10-12k because of a misfire. yeah it just had the wrong spark plugs in it :p and it’s about as dumb as they come. it has a radio, abs, and cruise control - no other driving assists or telemetry
My car got dumbed for me because they killed the 3g network it was running on
Just because you can’t use it doesn’t mean a hacker can’t. If someone discovered a vulnerability in the 3g handshake or encryption protocol, it could be an avenue for an RCE.
I wish, but most people don’t know / care about this stuff, it’s not going to really percolate into the public consciousness .
According to the dealership my car isn’t worth it’s weight grass clippings because it’s too old.
Cool just like trying to replace a blower motor in a modern car feel free to rip the entire dash out only to find out it has a second antenna all the way in the back underneath the spare tire also behind a tail light which somehow requires you to remove the muffler to get to…
You’d probably have more luck installing a signal jammer in your car.
The best you can hope for is a rootkit and some Linux-based OS for cars to be developed so you can take full control.
Happy to have my 2012 civic. One of the last gens without a telemetry unit I think.
I drive a 2014 si
That Civic is hands down the most bulletproof, refined and perfected k-series car Honda ever produced, or ever will, at this point.
If anyone reading this wants a V6, find a manual TL. Equally bulletproof, but with a J-series and room to stretch out and they are CHEAP for zero reason on the market. I don’t even understand it other than they don’t really have tuning potential, but as a commuter car, they can’t be beat for the price to comfort. They ride like clouds and have 300hp to punch with if you stomp them down an offramp.
The car will still work if you take the radio out or put a faraday cage around it, maybe that’ll become a thing in the future, but that might fuck with the paid charging infrastructure for EVs. Doesn’t impact gas.
Yeah… fuck this shit. This is part of the reason I still drive a nearly 20 year old vehicle. It has features I want, and can’t be stolen via fucking API calls. Absolute insanity.
I think Hyundai/Kia group has done unfathomable damage to their brands. Kia, despite being a budget brand, wants to be seen as a legit competitor to Toyota or at least Nissan. Their corner cutting with the immobilizers and the resulting “USB” theft shit was bad enough. Now this exploit.
They’re just terrible cars. I’ve had two…they were great until they weren’t. I literally had a screw fall out of the headliner the other day bringing it home from a nearly 1000$ exhaust patch/repair. It’s not 10 years old yet and only has 60k miles.
The other one has had the engine replaced already (under warranty thank god).
We are likely replacing both of them next year. I’m never buying a Kia again.
I’m so sad GM killed SAAB. Only decent cars left are Volvo and Subaru. I just wish someone would mass produce a manual transmission EV.
Uh…what? How does a manual transmission work on a direct drive motor?
(And if you really want to do that, drop an electric crate engine in an 80s muscle car. I’m strongly considering it)
I had an '11 optima sx, right after the refresh. Beautiful car. Returned the lease on its 3rd engine.
1st one had a spark plug fail and basically melt. Piston seized. Had power, then it didn’t, while doing 60 over a bridge.
2nd one went after an engine mount failed. Block ended up cracking.
Only consolation was that I was paying kia prices, not their over inflated sense of self pricing they try now.
The stats disagree with you, so your anecdotes don’t really mean anything…
There’s just no good reason to have anything beyond the radio/nav etc in a car connected to the Internet. Remote start can be done with just the key.
You know what fuck builtin nav. Connect it to my phone and let that be it for navigation.
I like using the built in radio rather than my phone for music, but it doesn’t need an internet connection, just a flash drive.
I suppose I’m a weirdo for not using Spotify like most people nowadays though
I would say even those don’t need Internet. Navigation can be updated using a USB drive, and I have a phone for audio so I just need bluetooth.
The only network connection I want in my car is to notify emergency services if the airbags go off.
I think the point is that there isn’t a good enough reason to put internet in a car that negates the risk of it.
It is like adding lead to food. It’s a cheap sweetener with no calories. You can argue that cheap sweeteners aren’t important to you, but I don’t think you can argue that it isn’t a good reason. It just isn’t a good enough reason to negate the risk.
frankly they aren’t good reasons.
the first bunch provides info and abilities that are only relevant when you are in the car. this is like wanting to know your house’s temperature when you are in the store, or on vacation. what the fuck you do with that information?
the remaining about the alarm and it being stolen, what are you going to do with this? go after them with your 4th car and a shotgun? let’s hope they did not disconnect the batteries…
if you absolutely cannot live without these, you should by an extension that does this, instead of forcing this shit on everyone
You can argue that those are not important to you, personally but I don’t think you can argue that they aren’t good reasons.
These sound like “value-add module purchased at or after time of sale” reasons.
In short, they’re features and not requirements.
That’s a very subjective take. My friends and family that live in hot climates love the ability to remotely turn on and pre-cool their vehicles. I appreciate being able to check if I remembered to lock the doors.
Both of those functions have been available via key fob for at least a decade, no internet required. Though yes the range on that can be limited.
And by using that internet connected feature you’re 100% handing out your driving info to your car manufacturer, who in turn will sell it to LexisNexis, who in turn will sell it to insurance companies, who in turn will jack up your insurance prices.
Sure, that sucks. But I’m not saying there are zero downsides, I’m specifically countering the argument that there are “no good reasons” with my personal good reasons.
As I said in my comment, that can be done with the key, no Internet connection needed.
As for the lock thing, I just need to look if my mirrors are folded in or not.
The fob won’t work if you’re deep inside a store, will it? Same for checking the mirrors.
Let the fucking hacking begin. Fuck these assholes. They are milking people out of their last penny, and on top of that they’re selling people’s driving data to data brokers who sell it to insurance companies that jack up prices.
Let the fucking hacking begin. Fuck these assholes.
Then you’re gonna hack the company, not the endusers’ cars.
Right?
Right?
FYI: From the article: “These vulnerabilities have since been fixed, this tool was never released, and the Kia team has validated this was never exploited maliciously.”
