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#BothSiders often end up repeating Republican talking points

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Of course the both sides argument comes from the right because America has no left

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20 points

Not with any sort of majority aspirations, that’s for sure.

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2 points

Found one!

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13 points

and I woulda gotten away with it too if it wasn’t for you meddling kids

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6 points

Often? I’ve never seen it NOT that way, and I’m a huge fan of nuance. With them, I just can’t see any justification for that argument.

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Thanks for saving me the effort of pointing this out.

“Yeah, I don’t agree with his racism, but I can’t support post-partum abortions by feeding babies to coyotes so we can afford to pay for 25 billion illegals to stay in the Ritz Carlton like the Democrats do. #BothSides”

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63 points

Oh this is the classic : “I’m socially progressive, but fiscally conservative” LOL

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The thing is real fiscal conservatism relies on evidence. They just want to sell off the government so they can make a profit replacing it. A real fiscal conservative would have already passed universal education, universal healthcare, universal background checks, taken military procurement to task, and repealed half of the laws restricting unions.

The Republicans talk about laws that spend less and create more revenue, but they fight tooth and nail against ones that actually would do that.

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11 points

no no, republicans don’t want the govt to make revenue. tax cuts, ridiculously complicated tax code, gutting the IRS… all to let rich people keep as much money as possible.

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Or as they say, “make government small… Enough to drown in a bath tub”

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13 points

So, a Democrat?

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Well the bar is six feet under when you compare Democrats to Republicans. Democrats appears leftwing simply because Republicans went further to the right on the spectrum unfortunately. If you place Democrats in Canada or Western Europe, they would be considered a right wing government, or centrist if we stretch it.

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12 points

So much this. The only thing that remedied US Democrats in this sense was their LGBT stances being more progressed than in many Western European countries. Otherwise they are in the right/far right/neoliberal spectrum by European standards.

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At this point anybody can just download all the financial freedom they want, nobody is stopping us. So our votes only even matter for social issues anymore.

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11 points

Code for “I’m conservative but know a gay person and/or once smoked a marijuana.”

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2 points

Fiscally conservative somehow means hoarding money under the mattress instead of investing in projects like infrastructure, an educated populace, a healthy populace, or an environment that is habitable.

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Actual centrists recognize how extreme the right has gotten, and vote accordingly. Bothsiders are the brainless, egotistical tools of the far right, going along with normalizing fascism because they don’t want to think too hard.

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… and because they want slaves back. The right is focused on having women-slaves and immigrant-slaves. Take away rights, invent crimes, jail, enslave.

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That’s because slavery is great for the economy capital-hoarding class.

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It’s because they identify 100% with the party but don’t want the negative flack it rightfully deserves, so they pretend to be centrist.

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29 points

This has actually been studied

Anti-Authoritarians and Moderates view it as best to be seen as Anti-Authoritarians, Authoritarians view it best to be seen as Moderates.

They literally view opportunistic claiming of the center not just as a political tool but as a social survival tactic to not be ostracized for their bullshit.

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Drag would like to have a link to a study so drag can cite it in the future

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8 points

What makes you qualified to speak for the entire drag community?

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21 points

Exactly this. Many of them are concerned about how it might affect their work too and their families if they found out they’re were horrible racist people.

It’s part of the reason why the KKK wore clokes

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7 points

It used to be libertarians that did this shit. Too afraid to commit to the bit, but still want to appear as if they’re the good guys.

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yeah… Here in Australia, they were also the only political party around who never removed their shitty signage after the election (and they legally have to). I’m surprised the Election council didn’t do it for them and send them the bill. I think the problem with those wankers is that they constantly try to get away with dodgy actions, and they end up being successful so many times, that they just keep doing it

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I’ve had these geniuses defend racists by demanding, ‘well when did he say he was a racist?!’ As if the only possible way a label could apply is if a person says so. No wonder they think this fools anyone. All it takes to convince them is the right person saying “nuh uh.”

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It’s the media, not the people. If you read the same article from sources across the political spectrum, you’ll find the further right you go, the more information is omitted and the more opinionated the journalist becomes. So, someone who reads primarily right wing and centrist media will naturally have a right wing opinion when reading centrist articles.

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Yeah, I’m not buying the “your opinions are just biases” argument. I don’t deny the influence of past experiences, I just believe humans are more nuanced than that.

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Opinions are absolutely subjective, but the content they’re based on is also skewed.

If all of the news you consumed was curated through an engagement algorithm, it would change the way you see the world. Your opinions would be based on that perception.

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Now you’re just describing human perception. That’s not really remarkable. And, still, there’s a lot more to it, such as the sum total of experiences a person has.

I still think this concept is being oversimplified quite a bit.

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While this is true, people still bear responsibility for the media they choose to consume. People wake up every day and decide to get their information from liars and grifters, because they prefer the way lies feel. It isn’t as if they don’t have options. Now, media literacy is definitely a problem. But the only solution is education, and that’s a silver bullet too slow to save us from all the extant ill-educated mooks.

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I agree. Many people make the mistake of getting their news exclusively served through algorithms. They see a very skewed painting of the world based on what they’ve shown interest in previously.

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