When Israel re-arrested Palestinian men in the occupied West Bank town of Dura, the detainees faced familiar treatment.

They were blindfolded, handcuffed, insulted and kept in inhumane conditions. More unusual was that each man had a number written on his forehead.

Osama Shaheen, who was released in August after 10 months of administrative detention, told Middle East Eye that soldiers brutally stormed his house, smashing his furniture.

“The soldiers turned us from names into numbers, and every detainee had a number that they used to provoke him during his arrest and call him by number instead of name. To them, we are just numbers.”

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Hmmmmm 🤔

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You would think Israel, of all countries, ought to know how blatantly evil this kind of stuff looks.

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They do, they just don’t care.

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They do, and that’s the point.

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Israel of all countries is the one desperately trying to prove it’s more like Nazis (strong white Europeans in their opinion) than like their victims. That’s the lesson they got from it all.

They are a broken nation.

And I understand how they become one, what I don’t understand is how Armenians haven’t (having plenty of their own weaknesses, of course).

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what I don’t understand is how Armenians haven’t

Because they don’t have a regime supporting them them in that?

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Have you not seen anything they’ve done previous to this? It’s all completely conscious, they absolutely mean to treat Palestinians like the Nazis did Jews etc.

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I have, that’s why I said this kind of stuff to instead of this in particular, I was referring to all of it pretty much

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They don’t care. No one is preventing them from becoming Nazis themselves.

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The headline says “brands Palestinians”. The article doesn’t mention branding. They had numbers written on their foreheads. Most prisons identify prisoners by numbers. Probably not a great idea to just write it on their foreheads but if you have limited ways of marking prisoners it makes sense.

Israels soldiers are shit but how about we use accurate language to describe what they are doing. Lying helps no one.

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What they are doing is genocide and straight from the Nazi playbook

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i would strongly urge you to familiarise yourself with figures of speech lest you’re – you know – branded as an ignorant person.

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Maybe the website should learn not to use language that is ambiguous in order to push an agenda. Looking at these comments there are already a bunch of people who are assuming brand to mean scarification by burning since they evidently only read the headline.

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I think they’re almost certainly deliberately using ambiguous language to push an agenda. (Either that or both the author and the editor are incompetent.) And I would add that the language isn’t even actually ambiguous. It’s simply deceptive. “Brand” in this context would be interpreted literally by a normal reader and claiming it’s a metaphor is disingenuous.

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… there are already a bunch of people who are assuming brand to mean scarification by burning since they evidently only read the headline.

anyone who actually thinks that that headline means literal branding is an illiterate dumbass who needs to read more.

anyone who’s trying to sidestep the dehumanisation of prisoners mentioned in the article by throwing focus solely on the literal meaning of the word brand is an amoral dumbass who needs to understand humanity and history more.

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Yes, but I think it’s also intentional to mislead for clicks.

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I agree with your take. Shitty headline. When I think of “branding” , I think of hot iron burnt into flesh.

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According to the article this is not standard practice at all. The number practice continued during their arrest while they were beaten and tortured

More unusual was that each man had a number written on his forehead.

“The soldiers turned us from names into numbers, and every detainee had a number that they used to provoke him during his arrest and call him by number instead of name. To them, we are just numbers.”

According to the PCHR, most detainees are beaten during these campaigns, and the Israeli army is trying new steps to intimidate them.

“Usually, a Palestinian is arrested and transferred to a known interrogation centre where he is interrogated. But the Israeli soldiers have replaced that with these humiliating measures, and they say that they have the right to detain any person for six hours without reporting him as a detainee to the Israeli army,” Abu Hawash said.

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Here is an article about numbering of prisoners in the California penitentiary system. It’s been a system to identify prisoners for more than 100 years. Numbers are used to dehumanize all prisoners. It isn’t an israeli/palestinian thing.

I only have an issue with the use of “branding” in the headline. If you can’t link to a source that doesn’t use deceptive headlines then don’t post anything. You can’t really convert people in good faith to your cause if you’re lying to them with ambiguous language.

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They do not write the numbers on their forehead from the pictures I see in that article

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Brand

1): a mark made by burning with a hot iron to attest manufacture or quality or to designate ownership

(2): a printed mark made for similar purposes :

It mentions a printed mark. Read a dictionary next time you are board bored and want to defend the IDF.

Edit: God I hate modern autocorrect and IDF bought people being wrong while pedantic

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Read a dictionary next time you are board

So ironic.

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Yeah that one is a bit funny. Autocorrect can be a bitch. Doesn’t explain you demanding a different word because it has a definition you don’t like and ignoring it.

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It’s not a trademark and it’s not a mark made with a hot iron, so atleast according to the definition that you tried to use as a gotcha, it’s not a brand.

Edit: After I had commented, the person edited out part of the 2nd definition so that the definition would fit their narrative. What was edited out: " (2) : a printed mark made for similar purposes : trademark".

From Miriam Webster: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/brand

They’re basically using the (edited) definition of trademark branding to claim that these written numbers are a branding.

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Its an example of. It was tagged as see also. And it’s literally says “printed” what the hell.

I’m sorry I left in the direct dictionary text so it can be nitpicked as to how writing numbers on people isn’t “branding”

How is there this many people that can argue against a dictionary?

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This is still a heinous act of dehumanization,… When I hear of a human being marked as a “brand” I think of a hot iron. I opened the article fearing the worst. Thankfully this is not that.

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If we’re comparing with established prison practice let’s also mention how prisoners also get human rights, habeas corpus, due process, equal treatment and stuff like that. Israel has none of that for Palestinians.

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Numbers are so 1940’s, I thought they might have moved to QR codes by now.

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Harder to draw quickly, gotta have them pre printed and then there is the ink costs and where on earth could Israel get the money for that?

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Every prisoner should have the right to be branded with their very own personalized NFT.

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NFT, Necessary Forehead Tattoo

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