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In October 2020, Samuel Paty, a French teacher, was murdered following a false accusation by a 13-year-old student who claimed he’d shown anti-Muslim bias. The girl had made up the story to cover the fact she had been suspended from school for bad behaviour.

In reality, Paty’s lesson on free speech included optional viewing of Charlie Hebdo cartoons, but he hadn’t excluded anyone. The student’s story triggered a social media campaign led by her father, who, along with others, is now on trial for inciting hatred and connections to Paty’s attacker, an 18-year-old radicalized Chechen.

The school will be named the Samuel Paty School from next year.

198 points

jfc when is the human species going to grow up and see religion as the make-believe bullshit that it is

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3 points

As i always say confront the collective not the individual. If you follow your personal believes i dont have a problem with you but dont force it onto others and dont make it overly structured because it will be used to manipulate people.

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4 points

eh, we’d just make up other reasons to hate each other.

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75 points

It will be a glorious day in the name of Humans when we finally dump the dumb shit and act like we control our own actions and future

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And then people start raping animals because no more rules

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25 points

If you need a make believe story to prevent you from doing that then you are the problem.

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22 points

The fact that raping animals is illegal is not the reason I don’t rape animals. If the only thing stopping you from committing horrific crimes is a belief in the sky man then I suggest you remove yourself from the general population (become a hermit) so us normal people don’t have to worry about you losing faith in your invisible friend and going berserk at a petting zoo.

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Are rules the only thing keeping you from raping animals right now? Because that says more about you than the rest of the world.

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Lol make sure to check out this guys posting history for more zany fun, this is the tip of the iceberg when it comes to this guys animal rape fantasies

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85 points

… If there were no rules you’d rape animals? Maybe you should go to church, but don’t pretend we’re all like you

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75 points

Holy shit, your religion is the only thing keeping you from raping animals???

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18 points

You’re funny. Now, back under your bridge with you.

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37 points
  1. Not all rules come from imaginary gods
  2. Most people don’t need rules to keep them from harming others
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34 points

You… you should not be allowed at the petting zoo…

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45 points

are old fairy tales the only thing keeping you from banging goats???

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23 points

Humans already rape animals on an industrial scale. That’s what artificial insemination is. Religion didn’t stop that.

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Morality is not derived from religion. Society has moved well past that.

If you don’t understand then you lack education, but that’s the only reason. You are not in the right here.

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I’d hoped this was missed sarcasm then I checked the profile. Its verifiable stupidity.

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15 points

wow…

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Or people commit genocide because of a command from an entity we just assume is the source of all morality and therefore their actions and commands cannot be immoral by definition.

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It wouldn’t really matter, there would be another reason for hate.

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Organized religion is a really effective way and tool for brainwashing. Of course there are many other tools as well, but religion is probably the best one. That’s why it’s so popular.

Just like with guns. If you control and ban firerarms, there are still going to be some murders. But much-much less, because you take away the easiest way of commiting one.

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I’m of the opinion that a lot of gun control is ineffective, especially given what guns are supposed to mean. Yes places like Australia have been extremely successful in removing guns, but also look at their policing system and governmental overreach which is honestly quite terrible. I’m of the opinion that the most effective gun control is changing the culture surrounding guns. Bring back (optional) shooting classes in schools, teach kids (and adults) gun safety and actual useful knowledge about firearms. Regulate the access, storage, and use of ammunition. Change the culture from people thinking they’ll be John Wick once they get their glock to people who actually understand that firearms are tools that can be used as weapons, and that they require time, effort, training, and a lot of responsibility to use safely. The cat is out of the bag in the US; guns aren’t going away. Acting like we can remove them is silly, but we can change the perception around them.

I also think we need similar movements for a lot of things, like cars.

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The day you give up fighting your demons is the day your demons win

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The funny thing is that most politicians know it is make believe yet they pretend to be religious just to get the votes. It is also a highly effective mechanism to subdue and control the population and manipulate them.

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Probably never sadly. There’s always going to be something people go towards that gives their life meaning, and that will (almost by requirement) create a group that is against them. Even if it isn’t “religion” it’ll be something like politics or something else, which people don’t actually think about and just believe in.

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If religion did not exist, humans would create it.

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26 points

That’s… exactly what happened.

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And let’s not fool ourselves. It is all about controlling the masses.

Right now politics and religion is one dividing factor that fuels enormously the racist views of the population. It simply divides us more than it unites us.

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The problem is that it’s not just make believe bullshit, but over thousands of years, and being abused repeatedly by those seeking to derive power from it, the original message/intent gets lost entirely.

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The most deadly religion isn’t even recognized by those who claim to oppose… As long as people bow down to costumed cops, robed judges, and phony politicians… As long as people worship their slaver “fathers” and swear their lives to defend some slaver’s pact… There will be zero rationality as we regularly see.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_religion

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Ah yes, so we can murder each other over political ideologies instead

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Religion of peace

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How old are you to believe peace can achieved by being peaceful?

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Do you think they’re trying to achieve peace by beheading teachers for showing cartoons??

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No I’m just pointing out the illusion of peace

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I don’t care who they believe for if they are so upset about a cartoon that they’ll kill people and commit other violent acts. Fuck those people and anyone defending that shit.

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Nobodys defending that just that these same these phrases are usually said by those who later attack the religious people. Just so you know im an athiest but not a douchebag.

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Can these people just fuck off with their „religion of peace“ dogwhistle it’s so annoying and obvious

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I’m not sure what you think is the dogwhistle, it’s directly mocking the claim of Islam being a “religion of peace”

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Yeah honestly go back to 4chan with that intel energy

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It’s a racist dog whistle because you are indicting the entirety of a religion based on the actions of a single person and their view of that religion. It is bigoted and ignorant, which is not the solution to this problem of religious radicalization.

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Yeah that’s mine actually.

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You a Baha’i? Cause with what they’ve done in India and Myanmar, Hinduism and Buddhism are out.

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Glad they arent trying to swipe it under the rug and went with the school name change.

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Just fyi, it’s “sweep it under the rug.” Swiping is a doing small motion, used mostly for smart phones and sleight of hand, whereas sweeping can be a much larger motion, and often involves a broom or a careless aspect. My husband has the best non-native English I’ve ever heard from someone who didn’t live in an anglophone country as a kid, and he cannot keep those two and swab straight, so I’d consider it a pretty easy mistake to make :)

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Yeah i was unsure in the moment tbh. Swish swipe swap sweep swoop

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Lol swish swipe swap sweep swoop thats a good one

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Swish is what you do with something in water, like to rinse it off. Or rinse your mouth out with water or mouthwash. Or the sound those things make.

Swipe is a small hand motion you might perform with an object like a credit card you swipe through a card reader. It can also mean to steal something, since that usually involves a quick hand movement. And of course a gesture on a touch device like a phone or tablet.

Swap is to exchange one item for another item. To trade. In the US we have things called “swap meets” which are like things called “flea markets” where you can trade things. Usually you are trading cash for some type of used item. You swap out old parts for new ones when performing maintenance on a car or machine or computer.

Sweep you do with a broom. Like you might sweep dust under a rug as a shortcut rather than using a dustpan to collect it and properly dispose of it into a garbage can. But it can also refer to a broad approach. For example a police sweep of the area. Or sweeping legislation for broad laws. Or sweeping changes within say an organization.

Swoop is what a bird does when it comes in to grab its prey, or to grab your sandwich. Or what your manager does when out of nowhere he shows up looking over your shoulder to “swoop in.” Or the shape of the path the bird takes when it performs this action could be a swooping motion. Superman might also do this when he flies in to rescue you.

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Good bot

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It’s because, as I’m sure you know, all religions have done the same. Speaking like you are is as hateful as what you’re claiming to be against. Fuck off.

Criticism is valid. Criticism against an entire group of people without also giving voice to those in the group against it is fomenting hatred, which you should be against if you’re logically consistent (which I’m not accusing you of being because I doubt you are).

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Christianity is just as much a festering wound on society. Actions like beheading because of some religious zealousy should not be tolerated.

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When was the last time a Christian beheaded someone specifically in the name of Christianity? When was the last time you heard of a Jew or a Hindu or Buddhist doing a suicide bombing? When was the last time you saw a Bahá’í or Zoroastrian or Wiccan honor kill a woman in their family for being a rape victim?

This whole all religions argument is bullshit and you all know it including the mods taking down my comments for being offensive even though it’s the truth.

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So what kind of blasphemous stuff did this teacher show about jesus? Colonialism? Or was it solely an attack on muslims? This is France so I think I know the answer…

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You are missing the point that the girl who accused the teacher completely made it up, she was not even having a class with this teacher this day and she lied to her father because she was expelled that particular day for bad behaviour.

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It was a lesson on free speech. I’m certain there were plenty of talking points and examples but it really isn’t the point of this story.

Muslims will remain as part of that topic for as long as they react the way they do about drawings of their imaginary friend, or anything else they try to impose onto everyone else.

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FYI the french high school curriculum includes lessons on (de-)colonisation, painting it as unjust and racist.

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