cross-posted from: https://lemm.ee/post/46655413

The Mozilla Foundation, the non-profit arm of the Firefox browser maker Mozilla, has laid off 30% of its employees as the organization says it faces a “relentless onslaught of change.”

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Why the heck did Mozilla need 120 employees for anyway? I hate that Firefox is updated so often because I always get Firefox Update Fatigue. I hope that fewer employees means fewer Firefox updates.

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8 points

This is not even about Firefox, you griefer.

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9 points

Well this is a unique take. But don’t worry, there’s a Firefox for you, too. Try the ESR, or Extended Support Release, it

receives major updates on average every 52 weeks with minor updates such as crash fixes, security fixes and policy updates as needed, but at least every four weeks.

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63 points

Just turn the updates off. Might want to remove the seatbelts from your car too, so annoying having to put them on and take them off every time you need to drive somewhere.

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Doesn’t work. Firefox keeps nagging me to update every freaking time I open the browser. Now if they let me turn the nagging off it wouldn’t be so bad.

I want an update once per quarter, not once per week. Only more often than that if there is a critical security fix.

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21 points

lol what?

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Everytime I see comments regarding Mozilla’'s financials,I have the same effing question: How does a company like brave or opera maintain their browser ?? AFAIK both don’t have the level of community backing that Mozilla does nor do they have any (again AFAIK) agreement with a company like google for default search engine placement

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Brave just tries to scam their users for money.

Like when they added “donate to the content creator” links on YouTube and such, then didn’t actually give the money to the content creators.

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BTW, about Opera - the newest events with OpenAI and other stuff and Winamp devs not being prosecuted for GPL violations all lead me to one thought.

Are leaked Presto sources really-really illegal to use?

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those are just rebranded chrome(ium). all browsers except firefox and safari are rebranded chromium or firefox. edit: there are some other projects but none are mature.

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Apple also maintains their own browser engine, but that’s Apple.

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yes, safari is apple.

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Brave and Opera are both forks of Chromium that incorporate upstream changes. Firefox is an entire browser.

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Fair enough. Didn’t think that maintaining the engine is what Mozilla spends majority of it’s Firefox budget on

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The grand majority of Mozilla’s spending is for engineers.

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They use chromium.

Firefox does not.

The grand majority of software engineering effort goes into the browser development that they never have to work on for the most part.

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Alongside what the other guy said, Opera definitely does have search engine deals, idk about brave since they launched their own. But brave has their own private advertising system

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281 points

Regardless, don’t use chrome.

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1 point

I’ve moved to Vivaldi recently and it’s been refreshingly not-suck.

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That’s good. Are you happy with the built-in privacy, or do you find extensions are needed?

I’d still argue it’s chromium.

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I’ll just use Safari

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With privacy extensions…

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If Mozilla does become defunct, it does raise the question of whether Chrome would be considered a Google monopoly, and therefore subject to antitrust legislation.

I can’t imagine any governments would look kindly upon internet access being guarded behind a single company’s product.

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There is a new browser based on WebKit (safari), called Orion that looks promising. However, it’s only on macOS and iOS at this point. Hopefully Linux and Android will be a consideration at some point.

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Chrome’s engine was originally forked from WebKit. That makes them too similar (even years later) for WebKit to count as a real alternative.

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There’s also a new browser based on Firefox/Gecko called Zen. There’s way too many browsers based on Webkit or Blink.

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I can’t imagine any governments would look kindly upon internet access being guarded behind a single company’s product.

laughs in 2001

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Google should be subject to antitrust legislation regardless.

Their position as a monopoly is what enables this.

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They could try to employ some kind of Apple defense, like, you wouldn’t hit Apple for having monopoly on iOS. As long as it’s not the only solution on the market. And for web, most of time, you could access the same resources and get similar experience by downloading… the apps… wait, they have a monopoly on that, too. Well, they are completely screwed in that case.

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Splitting Chrome from Google wouldn’t make Chrome not a monopoly, though, right?

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The split might leave a monopoly still, if it’s the only major browser.

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7 points

The firefox browser could exist without quite a lot Mozilla does. A large chunk of its cash isn’t spent on the browser.

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52 points

We’ll go back to gopher if we have to, it’s time for burning chrome.

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5 points

lynx ftw

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15 points

Also, Ladybird is looking very promising, so in a few years we should have a true fourth browser engine.

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26 points

Let’s just separate GOOG from Chrome / Chromium and Google Search completely. So that the direction of the most used browser, most used search engine and the biggest advertiser don’t circle jerk each other.

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2 points

If this Firefox trend continues, then we won’t really have a choice in the matter anymore.

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You’d sacrifice your privacy because of layoffs?

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No, because there won’t be anything but Chrome.

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Their question is: how much would you pay for not using a Chromium based browser?

People switching to the browser and zapping all ads, demanding open source and vitriol for any kind of monetization. How can they survive? They would have to become a subsidized utility, which not even the Internet as a whole has achieved.

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I get not wanting to use a google, microsoft or crypto laden browser, but I would be willing to use a well supported browser that used chromium as the page rendering engine. It seems to be extremely difficult to get another engine to be competitive in the marketplace. Maybe the resources would be better spent putting the chromium engine inside a different container. I’m sure there would be drawbacks, but I think there would be compatibility benefits too.

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used chromium as the page rendering engine.

I believe WebKit is Chromium’s rendering engine, as is Gecko for Firefox.

Opera used to have their own but now they’re just rebranded Chromium.

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5 points

I wouldn’t mind paying money for a good browser. I paid for Opera back in the day, and browsers are significantly more complex (and cost several orders of magnitude more to develop) now compared to back then.

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There was a poll a while back on mastodon and the majority answered they’d be ok with 5$/year to support Firefox.

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The kind of people you find on Mastodon following Firefox news are not the same as the average person. They are a bubble.

A few thousand people paying $5 per year is not enough to replace hundreds of millions.

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A few thousand people paying $5 per year is not enough to replace hundreds of millions.

…people or dollars? ‘Cos i don’t think “hundreds of millions” of people are chippin’ in, it’s Google that’s financing “hundreds of millions” of dollars…

But yeah, that target audience is a bubble, normies don’t care.

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112 points

CEO first please. He’s not worth it

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