I highly doubt the left will do anything uncivil. How can they win back the country? Is it too late?

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Even if it was to get uncivil, the side with guns in now in charge

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19 points

They’re notoriously easy to get.

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Not when the past 50 years have been so it’s harder and harder for the people the current rulers don’t like don’t get guns

Literally the prison system was made so those who object now legally can’t buy guns

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Nah, prison system was made to keep slavery legal, disenfranchisement is just a bonus.

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21 points

We have guns on the left, too. We just aren’t as masturbatory about them.

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Hell of an uphill battle against MQ-9s, hellfire, and LRAS.

Too many people stayed home when they should have voted. It was their civic duty and moral goddamn obligation to the rest of the world. Fuck…

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Liberals have more guns. I hate hearing this bullshit point echoed like it’s some grand revelation.

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Bro, have you been to any red necks houses? Cause if you had you wouldn’t be saying that

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Democracy is just the tyranny of the majority.

I think that most of the Americans want this, even if people on the outside do not understand. So in that sense they are right now winning back their country, as confusing as it might sound.

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Normally in Democracy the majority or popular vote wins, however due to the electoral college America has, it doesnt necessarily mean the majority voted for the winner. This was the case for Bush, and some other moments in the past.

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176 points

FYI: it looks like Trump is going to win the popular vote on this one as well.

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160 points

How in the fuck.

Like what drives a majority of Americans to vote for a demented toddler. It’s insane.

As a kid I always wondered how on Earth did Hitler ever make anyone follow himself, how did those people not realise. Turns out a majority of people are just fucking morons.

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And I was so loving Lina Khan’s FTC, asking among other things…

Edit: autocorrect

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6 points

And Harris has done worse than Biden in every county in America.

Not every state. Every county.

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u̇nfoṙtcėnetlı, H ſımz t bı ƿinıŋ ð pȯpyulṙ vot æz ƿel.

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Unfortunately, he seems to be winning the popular vote as well.

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I believe the states responsible for those silly outcomes have since passed laws to prevent it happening again.

Could be wrong, but I listened to a podcast last week with an American professor who’s pretty much written the book, explaining the history of the Electoral College and how it really works. I’m sure he said those states since fixed those loopholes.

Either way, the damage is done today. Another four years of stupidity in charge.

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1 point

You think laws matter to the privileged?

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This is not correct. The electoral college is exactly as susceptible to giving the win to the person with fewer votes as it was in 2000 and 2016. It’s also not an issue that’s due to any state in particular and is not an issue that can be solved by individual state action. The NPVIC would fix it but requires the cooperation of many states and is not in effect, and has stalled pretty hard in recent years.

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65 points

Whether it’s 48 or 52 % is an immaterial difference. Every other American who voted, voted for Trump. The rest don’t seem to care either way. He has very broad popular assent and is as popular as Harris give or take a margin of error.

Everyone is lasered-focused on the EC because it makes all the difference for the practicalities, but if one is to make a broad judgement of whether Trump won fair and square the answer is “yeah, mostly”. Further proof is the fact that the House is probably going to be his as well.

Americans now bear the collective responsibility for the horrors of the next 4(+?) years. Do not make the mistake of blaming the popular will of outright fascism on institutional failures, because institutions didn’t force half of Americans to vote for the fascist, again.

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8 points

I’ll wait 72 hours before settling with it, in case any shenanigans were involved. I expect it’s legitimate, but I want that window open if it’s needed.

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31 points

Trump is winning the popular vote by a pretty decent margin. The electoral college isn’t the issue here.

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They haven’t finished counting that’s why. Rural areas are faster to count and skew conservative.

A republican hasn’t won the popular vote in 20 years. Trump is projected to win but like last time he’ll lose the popular vote and win by virtue of the electoral college.

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No, there is a concerted effort by conservatives to use voter suppression to subvert the will of the majority in the US.

conservatives are clawing back the country right now by hook and by crook.

can’t go on forever, but I don’t know which is going to last longer: the country or the aging frightened conservatives willing to subvert democracy to hang on to control.

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Isn’t just the aging ones sadly. Lots of young people, especially young men, went for Trump. Andrew Tate has taught them well.

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progressive policies are annually more popular and conservative policies and election results like 2016 and 2024 are won mainly by the old guard funding and utilizing their careful network of voting interference and collusion.

Andrew Tate is a vile exception amongst younger generations, not the rule.

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1 point

Trump wins the popular vote and lemmy is still in denial.

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I think that most of the Americans want this

Maybe, but none of the facts directly support this.

There have been large campaigns to disenfranchise several types of voters for decades in the country. The Electoral College was designed to be unfair to appease Slave states. Voter turnout is abysmal, only about 35% of eligible citizens vote. Out of those turnout is usually around the same percentage. The highest turnout recently was 2020 only because mail in voting was expanded so dramatically, and even then it was only 67% of registered voters, so it was still only 67% of that original 37% of eligible voters. So with the highest recent turnout, we’re looking at about 25% of eligible citizens actually voting.

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I believe that the 67% number for the 2020 election is of eligible voters and not registered voters. While turnout is low, it’s not 25% low.

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It was ~67% of eligible voters that were registered to vote. Over 94% of registered voters actually voted.

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Dafuk are you talking about? Voter turnout is 67% of all eligible voters. It’s highest since it’s ever been. And Trump won the popular vote. At least look at the facts instead of crying “stolen election”.

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Democracy really is the worst form of government, just not as bad as all the others…

Unfortunately in such polarized times like now, even though majority wants this, the ammount of people for which this is unacceptable is only slightly less than “the majority”. And besides, I believe a big part of “the majority” is just gullible enough to be persuaded they want this while it actually goes against their interests

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Something can not be the worst and just not as bad as the others.

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It’s a famous quote. The contradiction is intentional. It means democracy has a lot of problems and often looks terrible. However when you step back and consider the alternatives they are worse.

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Take it up with Winston Churchil - I was just paraphrasing his quote.

The point is democracy is terrible, but we don’t have anything better.

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And if the other candidate won, the other half would’ve been in the same state of “this is unacceptable”. Solutions?

Cuz lemmy seems to think if their party wins it’s all good and if the other wins it’s the end of the world. While in reality it seems there’s a 50-50 split with each side equally hating the other.

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vote against this and save us all from this idiocy.

Nope. There was just more people lined up to vote for more idiocy. We failed the world. I’d say I’m sorry, but I don’t think that’ll help. This is America.

America needs to focus on decentralizing power. That way, when the other side wins, they can’t do much damage. Biggest problem America faces is too much centralized control.

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12 points

That’s what the Germans thought in 1933

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77 points

It is too late for a while now. Try to be safe, even if that means moving.

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59 points

And move where?!

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13 points

Just be grateful if you’re not in one of the first groups. I spoke up as loudly as I could.

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Pretty dystopic that you post this quote, because it is doctored to include catholics. Niemöller’s wife explicitly stated that he never included them in his poem. Source: https://martin-niemoeller-stiftung.de/martin-niemoeller/was-sagte-niemoeller-wirklich

Martin Niemöllers zweite Frau (seit 1971), Sibylle von Sell  schreibt dazu am 23.4.2000 in h-holocaust https://www.h-net.org/~holoweb/ :.“ The trouble with Martin Niemoeller’s „famous quotation“ is that he never wrote it down – which enabled  so many hitchhikers  over the years to „put themselves on the waggon“. In his  „Confession of Guilt“  (as he called it himself: Schuldbekenntnis in German) the Communists came first, then the Trade Unionists and then the Socialists and then the Jews. NO ONE ELSE.”

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If I had that answer I would be happy to share.

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The problem is that nowhere is safe now. I’m Canadian, and I wish I had somewhere to go. And just imagine how the poor sods in Palestine, Ukraine, and so many other suffering countries, are feeling right now.

I wouldn’t be surprised if Vladimir Putin’s armies weren’t occupying large swaths of Eastern Europe by the end of this term.

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I wouldn’t be surprised if Vladimir Putin’s armies weren’t occupying large swaths of Eastern Europe by the end of this term.

And Russia will use, what? Tanks from the Cold War?! There have been many reports from professional defense intel groups and countries that report that Russia has been struggling to keep fighting the invasion of Ukraine. They’ve had to resort to asking North Korea to send thousands of troops to fight in Ukraine. With the weapons that the EU, Australia, Britain, and the US have been sending them, Russia is going to have a tremendously difficult time fighting back. Let alone, invading another country.

There’s a theory going around that China might take action and ‘take back’ what they claim to have been their territory from the early 1800s. Either they capture Serbia as a whole, southern Serbia, or a large portion of Eastern Russia. Which might look like the northern point of Lake Baikal to Uda Gulf or the push further and take Taul Bay. The southern part of the Kamchatka peninsula would be advantageous to them. The US and others would have a harder time “controlling” China’s fleet of ships if they had ports and bases up there as well.

I can only hold onto fool’s faith for so long, that the world doesn’t experience another major war.

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43 points

Wait 2 years, and hopefully put people who will mitigate the damage into the positions listed on your ballot. All you can do now as a law abiding citizen is wait.

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18 points

I admire your positivity

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43 points

I fear that the next election will be more ceremony than democracy once they have finished rigging it. At this point, I expect a third term for Trump - if he lives that long.

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Your fear of a 3rd term makes it all the more important to vote in your future elections. As the two term limit is imposed through a constitutional amendment, they’d need to create another constitutional amendment to reverse it. They need 2/3rds of both the house and the senate to agree to even get the ball rolling, as such, it is vital that you do what you can to prevent them from acquiring those numbers to avoid that situation.

If it did happen, I wonder if the democrats would run Obama again.

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12 points

If they attempt to abolish term limits I think we’re actually going to see a civil war.

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I don’t think they need a constitutional amendment, just Scotus ruling that it only applies to consecutive terms, for example.

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If Republicans remove term limits, it would be amazing to see Obama instantly get reelected for a third term in 2028.

That being said, the USA may not get another legitimate election (help us).

If it did happen, I wonder if the democrats would run Obama again.

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He won’t. The goal was to get Vance in all along. He’s a docile pet for Thiel and co to implement their fascist agenda.

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7 points

Fat fuck will die inside of 4 years. So, it’ll get worse.

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24 points

What do you mean by “win back”?

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They’re trying to get liberals banned by coaxing out suggestions of terrorism

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