cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/21782844
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The meme doesn’t really reflect reality, it’s just a weirdly remixed right-wing meme. Climate change denialists don’t ask for sources as they dislike them in general (Youtube videos and huffing your own farts is quite enough for them), they will just say the MSM has implanted the snow propaganda into your brain.
After you provide a source: “lol I’m not reading that”
“We used to be able to go outside the Tunnels during summer.”
I dont think asking for sources is ever a bad thing. Even for basic information. We should not defer to ‘trust me bro’ or ‘everyone already knows’
Thing is anyone posting stuff like this DGAF about any sources.
I get where you’re coming from, but unless you’re saying “Source?” just to troll them back there isn’t any real expectation of a good faith response.
You don’t need to provide sources for common knowledge, you need to provide sources to disprove it.
No.
If you make a statement of fact then you need to be able to back it up with objective facts.
If you can’t, then it’s called opinion
And a second asbsolutelyfuckingnot. Why?
Because there is a torrent of utter bullshit posted online every day. The burden to prove it’s bullshit should not be placed on the recipient of the information. Why, again? Because it’s easy to flood everything with bullshit and takes effort to disprove. You cannot allow people to make statements without facing the burden of proving their position, otherwise nobody is going to be checking anything and the bullshitters win.
Look there are some wild claims that deserve a request for sources.
Outside of that I would think you can check it out on your own if you don’t already know. How is it that this “do your research” crowd doesn’t know how to do their own research?
The scenario here is Person A makes claim. Person B wants a source.
If you want Person B to accept your claim you have to back it up. If you dont care then the point is moot. Its that easy.
How is it that this “do your research” crowd
Dont lump me into random crowds. Im just saying that this meme is for some reason promoting the ‘trust me bro’ stance and I dont like that.
I definitely get your point and I agree, but there is a certain type of toxic person that does this in bad faith. It’s called sealioning.
It is if I can trust you. The reality is i can’t. So if you have claims and its important for you to ensure i understand or accept your input then you better be able to back it up or I won’t.
If you were ‘there’ then prove that.
There are a lot of scenarios where it is just not important to have acceptance or agreement from the other party so it’s not like this is a universal rule. But if you have to rely on ‘trust me’ then you have to accept that some people simply wont.
My brother frequently demands a source when I tell an anecdote, then misuses Hitchen’s Razor to accuse me of making the anecdote up. This would be understandable if it was as a pics or it didn’t happen response to something outlandish, but it’s usually for something entirely mundane that was barely interesting enough to mention in the first place.
It’s just too easy to lie about them. They allegedly had primary sources for “They are eating the dogs”.
Trusting your common sense to filter these just doesn’t work, asking for a better source is never wrong.
The key phrase for primary sources is “trust, but verify”. That means listening to the primary source, and then do the legwork yourself to verify. Verify doesn’t mean asking the primary source for a source, it means figuring it out for yourself. A claim like “they’re eating the pets” gets readily debunked as soon as you start looking for evidence.
