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Why not just install a roundabout?

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A roundabout does not protect people riding bicycles. This intersection is designed to make them more visible to drivers.

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You’re assuming that most people are decent law abiding drivers and won’t be impatient and simply use that as another lane or parking spot.

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Can you draw that? How does it work when a bicycle wants to go straight and a car wants to turn right? Either you would need underpasses/overpasses or accept that cars and bikes will constantly cross each other, which in practice means the bikes will be in danger.

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You could still put an obstruction in the middle to prevent t-bone collisions while keeping the bike and pedestrian spaces.

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Because roundabouts prioritize motorists, their safety, and convenience. Clearly the goal here is to improve pedestrian and cyclist survival and convenience.

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Do you any data supporting this ? I really wonder what would be best for cyclists.

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Seems the opposite to me. I see in this picture what is essentially a roundabout but missing the central island, meaning people can drive straight through.

Roundabouts force motorists to slow down and can still provide a safe perimeter around the edge for pedestrians and bicyclists.

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Have you crossed a roundabout by foot? The crosswalk is offset from the border of the road by like 5 meters, meaning it takes like twice as much to cross. The crosswalk is also not in the slowest part of the roundabout.

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This intersection forces drivers to slow down by having floating islands that narrow the lanes and force tighter turning radii. Drivers going straight through interact with pedestrians and cyclists less than drivers who are turning because this is a signaled intersection.

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Roundabouts need more space than a regular crossing and there are buildings on all four corners here.

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That’s what mini roundabouts are for.

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…at Bloor and St George? People walk here

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Imagine if they had to drive in the UK lol

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These style of intersections were all over the place when I lived in the Netherlands and they make cycling circulation much more fluid and safe. Hopefully they synchronize the lights properly using induction loops on the asphalt.

Also, can we get those in Montreal on the REV? Left turns are deadly for cyclists and drivers sometimes have trouble turning right during rush hour.

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the corner of Bloor and St. George will be completely revamped in the Dutch style — that is, with greater prioritization of cyclists and pedestrians.

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Nice. It’d be better if the bike lanes were a different colour.

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Yeah just like the Dutch intersections. Which the article mentions they are based on.

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Agreed, I’d also like to see some bollards at the corners. With how I’ve seen drivers in this city behave, there’s going to be people driving right over those curbs.

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In Canada street paint lasst ~2 years (it typically fades noticeably after the first winter) and during those 2 years it’s obfuscated by snow 10% of the time.

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That’s because they’re driven on by cars. Pavement can last decades without potholes and only minimal repainting if it’s for pedestrians and bikes. That’s one of the reasons why car infrastructure is the most expensive transportation infrastructure possible. Cars are a huge drain on taxes.

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I thinks the salt used for melting the ice, the high variations of temperature, the surface being wet non stop for weeks when the snow melts and the frequent snow plowing (which is a huge metal shovel that scraps the pavement) contributes a lot to the fading.

I fucking hate cars too and I agree with you they are completely inefficient. But paint on pavement in cities where the temperature is near 0°C a good part of the year is also inefficient.

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Pavement can last decades without potholes and only minimal repainting if it’s for pedestrians and bikes.

I would have agreed, but you should see the state of affairs that some of our bike paths are in, and it didn’t take decades for them to look like that. Our winters and the combination of salt + freeze/thaw cycles is what destroy asphalt.

Car’s don’t help, but they aren’t the main problem, or else you’d see highways crumbling after a few weeks with almost 400,000 cars and trucks driving on them daily (i.e. HWY 401).

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Hope it’s the first of many!

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