I think it’s still different, as killing is an unfortunate means rather than an endgoal. I’d love to eat lab grown meat, that’d satisfy my needs without killing animals. But that wouldn’t satisfy a hunter who is killing for fun.

I’ve now found my favourite way of describing grilling. “I’m gonna do some killing for fun this weekened”

There is very much a problem with a lot of people simply refusing to accept what butchering actually entails.

There was a public experiment done by a reputable German science magazine where they asked a farmer to set up a stand for freshly butchered geese at a nearby city’s outdoor market. The catch was that the geese were still alive and they’d be killed and butchered at the location. So many people reacted with outrage, and in the end only one goose got slaughtered, because the buyers themselves were more than aware of the butchering process. The rest of the geese were rescued by an animal rights advocate who bought them all to be kept at a rescue farm.

Here’s the video, obviously fully in German, but you can see pedestrian reactions: https://youtu.be/9AXt-6mAVEo

I’d recommend not judging others based on merit. I for one have an eating disorder which makes it really difficult for me to eat, let alone enjoy most vegetables or meat alternatives. So yes, meat pretty much is a necessity for me, even if I would like to eat less of it. So does that make me a killer, doing it to enjoy my freetime or make a profit? Or does that mean I’m just trying to live my life without starving?

There’s a difference between wanting to feel pleasure at the result of killing someone and wanting to feel pleasure over the result of killing them?

I’m not sure what the difference between those two options is. But those aren’t the two options I was talking about. There are people that enjoy the process of killing things. There are people that like to eat dead animals but do not enjoy the process of killing the animal. Those are two different things in my mind.