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37 points

Not sure I’d really call this an “enlightened time.”

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103 points

Relative to the 1940s, it is.

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-14 points

I guess it depends on the lense. Accepting various sexually? Sure. Our politics and the general state of things? I wouldn’t describe us that way.

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80 points

Our politics and the general state of things? I wouldn’t describe us that way.

Compared to the politics and the general state of the 1940s? I, uh, would very much emphasize that the past is a much uglier place.

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45 points

Do you know what was going on in the first half of the 1940s??

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12 points

I’m going to go out on a limb and guess that you’re white and male

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2 points

Bro for real, I need some examples of in which ways are things politically and the general state of things worse. There may be some things that have slightly regressed, but I can only think of 1. In almost all ways things have bettered since the 40s.

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42 points

To be fair, they said ‘a more enlightened time’, like how my face can be more handsome without me actually being handsome. :|

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18 points

Times did change though, quite a lot even.

I’m not LGBTQ+ so I can only say what I know from other people. But when you speak to older gay people, boomer gays and such, they tell you awfuly heartbreaking stories.

Of course gays and other LGBTQ+ folx still get hated on and discriminated and there is still a long, long way to go.

But that doesn’t change, that nowadays you can publish loveletters of two men, without destroying the lives of each person involved. Back then, the letter writers would have probably ended up in prison and everyone else with knowledge of them or any kind of involvement would loose their jobs and carrers and would have been shunned. Someone responsible publishing them or making a film about them, would probably go to prison too.

So yes. I’d call this a more enlightened time compared to Europe in the 1930’/40’s.

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6 points

The 1920’s were starting to become enlightened… which only fueled the facists hate. Were currently in that same situation, but this time we must let the facists know they are weak and wont hurt anymore people this time.

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5 points

Yeah, not the same thing and a couple decades earlier but Wilde’s “De Profundis” is a useful contrast.

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14 points

I was thinking the same: Made into a book that will be thrown onto a burning pile of woke books if trump wins.

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2 points

Agreed.

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Except it’s still a kind of dumb take honestly. Your country has a minority of hateful fucks in positions of power, that can rile up the 30% minority of other hateful fucks that vote them in.

Let alone that, ya know, the rest of the world also exists and is, for the most part, headed in the right direction.

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13 points

10% more enlightened

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