Remember kids, Tankies wants to undermine democracy - same as facists.

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Yeah, we ignored the Tea Party as silly folks in 2008 and 2012, but by 2016 they had rebranded as MAGA and now they run the GOP.

Any delusional, hateful ideology – be it tankies, Nazis, or whatever – will fester if you let it.

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And you are extremely out of touch if you think tankies could ever manifest into anything more than a threat than a Unabomberesc bad actor. Tankies arent organized whatsoever in the west, while Nazis are have actual rallies in broad day light, while the GOP is actively championing causes that they support. Tankies want to kill landlords, Nazis want to kill Jews, Black People, Queer folk, and Liberals that wont toe the line. I dont agree with either of them, but i can recognize that the Nazi threat is much more metastasised in America and a much greater threat. If you cant see that you need to get your head out of your ass.

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Tankies arent organized whatsoever in the west

They very much are, pretty much any western state has an ML party with practically military discipline. They’re cultists, of course they have strict organisational structures – see “democratic” centralism.

On the other hand they’re also deeply fractional – much more so than the liberal and anti-ideological left which may have more overt disagreements but actually manages to work across those boundaries because they don’t consider each other literal fascists, what keeps tankies together is their capacity to ignore fundamental disagreements within their wider in-group, like, random example, ignoring China’s backwards stance on sexual minorities. Maybe a bit cartoonish but if you fly a red flag, are an authoritarian and know the right combination of selective quotes (always watch out for […] in anything a tankie says) they will believe that you’re on the same side. But precisely that “ignore everything but the shibboleths” kind of approach means that they don’t get shit done: If they tried to they’d have to face their fundamental disagreements.

The other thing that keeps them from doing things in the real world is that they’re too busy wanking off to their own perceived superiority. Lemmygrad is simply an online version of that kind of cult.

Tankies want to kill landlords

No. They want to be landlords. They want all the power capitalists have and centralise it, that is literally what state capitalism means.

but i can recognize that the Nazi threat is much more metastasised in America and a much greater threat.

That’s true, big-picture. But within the left tankies and adjacent styles of thinking, things like purity checking culture, are very much a problem that keeps the American left from being effective, in general and of course as chemotherapy against fascism. You won’t see them participating in Antifa, feed the homeless, or get social housing or public transport built.

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they’re too busy wanking off to their own perceived superiority

Unlike all the people commenting on this post!

This is just another stupid online factionalism post. None of what anybody says online (especially on a tiny niche forum) matters one fucking bit.

Antifa, feed the homeless, or get social housing or public transport built

This is what matters. And I guarantee you there are MLs participating in black bloc protests, Food not Bombs, and all sorts of other useful things you can think of, but your tendency doesn’t matter when you’re actually out there helping people. Did you turn to your fellow protestors and ask them what they think about China or what they think about some shit that happened a hundred years ago? Or did you just do what needed to be done in the moment?

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I agree that the purity check politics is counter intuitive, and also why they pose no threat of violent revolution in the west. The real threat to Western Capital comes from what the they have labled Cultural Marxism because the glaring hypocrisies of Capitalism are impossible to logically refute, hence the rise of Fascism. Also:

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I mean literally literally means literally not ‘kinda a bit if you look with a squint and ignore the rest’

I get the urge to make your point but imagine you see someone talking about baking and they say ‘sugar is just dry salt’ you’re not going to listen to anything they say

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And you are extremely out of touch if you think tankies could ever manifest into anything more than a threat than a Unabomberesc bad actor.

We’ve literally had and still have totalitarian regimes that claimed to be communist what the hell are you talking about?

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