Happy new year
I want to make one thing clear about the intentions of my comments: all I was trying to do was disqualifying what you said, and the reason for that is simple: you drew a serious conclusion (arguing for the bullet) supported by weak evidence (anecdotal evidence), and I can’t stand that.
The conclusion that you assumed in article 2 is not true, I wasn’t asserting that, so I don’t need evidence for that. My ‘proper argument’ was that yours was weak.
About article 3: Your conclusion appears to be quite different from the comment you made earlier. First you said that you tried to get a pedo to seek help, that your attempt failed and that therefore the bullet is the answer. Now you say that that is the solution when locking them up doesn’t work (or get them to seek help.) Wouldn’t that be a better solution in the first place? Why did you argue for the bullet straight away? Heck you even started arguing for the bullet without considering imprisonment one article further.
No, my argument was, as I said: a) if you cannot get a pedo to rehab, a bullet is better than letting them endanger others b) Those situations seem significantly more likely than pedos willingly participating in therapy - I listed an anecdote as an example because I thought the analysis as to why this is relatively intuitive. I can write it out if you disagree.
Hence a bullet is the more likely solution, not a universal one.
That’s what I said, and I stand by it. And I stand by the example provided because I don’t think analysis is needed for why a pedo is more likely to reject help than accept it and quantitative data on the subject is inexistent and unachievable.
Adding imprisonment to the mix is a valid complaint but doesn’t change much, given how hard it is to even gather enough to allow police intervention, even when dealing with a self-admitted pedophile like I was.
The reason I assumed your conclusion is because of the context of the thread. Sorry for misunderstanding. Your stubborness on putting words in my mouth makes me a little more comfortable about it tho.
I might be wrong, but are you suggesting killing the pedo yourself? And another question, is the pedo in particular offending (meaning that they have commited crimes related to pedophilia, such as watching, or making CSAM, groping, molesting, etc.) or non-offending? In all my replies, including this one I assumed the latter, which I just realized might not be the case.
Maybe the bullet works from an american perspective: with easy acces to guns and a garbage justice system, maybe this is the source of our misunderstanding since I am European and the justice system in my country isn’t shit and guns aren’t easily accesible.
Even if this is the case I still disagree with your opinion. First of al because using the bullet sets a precedent that causes pedo’s to hide the fact that they are even more, the next time you encounter one you might not even notice.
And to give them the benefit of the doubt, maybe they don’t trust therapists. Maybe the pedo who confessed to you only did so because they trusted you, but that’s just an assumption. And even if that wasn’t the case in this anecdote, it might be true for many pedo’s. It is a big secret after all. And considering how crazy people can go because of drag queens, because of the fear that they MIGHT do something to children, I can imagine that they rather keep their secret. It is not unreasonable to think some fear for their lives.
Can you maybe point out where my stubbornnes to put words in your mouth is? I don’t think I have done so.
And I want to add a more nitpicky argument, stating that it is significantly more likely that a pedo doesn’t seek help on the basis of 1 person is just plain wrong. Since the margin of error spans from basically 0% to 100%.
I’m European too, and in my country at least, I found no option to form a legal process against the pedophile.
The moron I was talking about had admitted to consuming CSAM in a group of people, I have no clue if he’d done anything else or has since, and knowing I failed to do anything about him I don’t want to think about it too much.
The ‘putting words in my mouth’ was reffering to your insistence I’d made a general claim of ‘killing pedos is moral’ and not that ‘it would be a solution if they refuse help and that seems likely to me, having dealt with one and tried to convince them to seek it’.
Comparing concerns of pedos to those of drag queens in any way whatsoever rubs me the wrong way on its own, and even then it’s not the same, given pedophiles are actually a threat to children. Being concerned about your neighbour spontaneously exploding is dumb, fearing the same from a person who just drank 5 liters of 100% nitroglycerin before climbing on a trampoline is actually ok, methinks (best analogy ever, I know). I think it is absolutely on an otherwise mentally healthy pedophile to overcome their ‘fear’ and seek help, so much so I don’t care what happens to them if they refuse to.
Again, I am willing to defer to experience where quantitative data is definetively unachievable to make my assumptions. I’m not writing a paper about it, but I’ll gladly state it with confidence in conversation when I think I have more insight than the majority of people. When my parents told me not to stick my fingers in an outlet as a kid I listened, even though there were no studies proving 230 Volts kill 5 year olds… and the existence of reliable scientific data on these two topics is about equally unlikely.
